I'll throw out another pile of horse manure that's going to hurt us down the road, the antivaccine movement. We're already seeing increases in measles and whooping cough because of declines in childhood shots. This ill thought-out campaign used to be played by left-wing suburban crunchy moms but Covid brought some conservatives on board. Did Fauchi and friends oversell the effectiveness of the Covid vaccines in a moronic plan to get more people vaccinated? Yes. But on the other hand thousands of people are not "dying suddenly." Sadly vaccine demonization has moved beyond Covid to vaccines for childhood diseases. If more kids start dying because their parents refused vaccines, there will be political carnage at the ballot box.
Do you need the answer to that question served to you on a silver platter by Fauci himself? Have you not even seen one headline about the stark rise in aggressive cancer rates among all age groups starting in 2022? Do you know anything about all cause mortality and the supposedly unexplainable trends?
The vaccines are poison. The medical industrial complex is a fraud. The fake Covid vaccines are cause turbo cancers and blood clots. No, it’s not causing a movement away from conservatives.
The stupid thing is that every big happening from now on is going to get the conspiracy treatment, as various podcasters pile on. This does not bode well for the Western tradition of detachment and observation, as opposed to those who are ruled by emotion and superstition.
The late, great Z Man called these people carnies. Candace is a carny. So is Nick Fuentes, and sadly Tucker is now.
This is exactly what I've been talking about, although I would probably go further than Greer. This is the kind of lunacy you get from trad people with repressed sexuality who have absolutely lost control over their own minds. Endless focus on the JQ, well out of proportion, and pursuing a repressive social agenda (abortion, AV laws) is a major distraction from helping white people and reducing the power of non whites. There are many people who would prefer a hedonistic, pleasure seeking society (myself included, other people on the left, who you might call the racist liberals) who still want non whites heckin gone. Building bridges with them is a much more effective use of time than allowing these people to burn everything down. Jared Taylor has said much the same thing. And their troll king is Fuentes and people like Carlson, even though the happy couple has apparently now had a falling out. The only worthwhile part of project 2025 is deportations. The rest should be done away with. It was amazing to see the usually sensible actually take this, or them seriously The constant refrain you hear from these people is that they have more in common with a non white person (who will spread violence, filth, squalor and actively wants to harm us) merely if they agree with their trad opinions on cultural issues. This is apart from the fact that trad moral crusades always exclusively focus on persecuting lonely, sexually frustrated white males, whereas child predators, rainbow people and black males can do whatever they want. This branch of the right, the "it's not race it's culture" people who say "christianity is what matters" should be utterly expunged from the movement. I'm glad greer wrote this. There also needs to be a recognition that the need to remove such people is about safeguarding whites, it isn't a cover for some zionist agenda.
In general, I think you're right, but there's a number of reasons why in this context, you're wrong. Firstly, homogenous all white societies tend to be more permissive anyway. And this happened in ancient times too, so it can't just be explained in terms of the industrial revolution. Trad is non coded and most non societies are some form of trad. Second, most of the people who are trad (not saying there aren't exceptions) are either actively anti-racist, not as concerned about race, or they care but it's one thing juggled amongst many and so it undermines their racial concerns.
Moreover, just as Kevin DeAnna and Paul Kersey recently discussed the idea where even boomers who helped to promote diversity shouldn't have to live in suffering being abused by black health care "workers" at the end of their life, white people shouldn't have to live in constant fear of non violence just because they enjoy pornography and you disapprove. I'll believe trad is the road to white identity when I stop seeing people obsessed with sexual morality and repressing sex counter signaling race. And I'll wait for the rest of my life.
I think it depends on where and when, but certainly - much of it not good either. You've also had the inverse (e.g., Augustus mandating marriage). If you look at Africa, similarly, you'll find high permissiveness, especially historically.
I don't think your characterization is correct, most of those "trad" tend to be further to the right. There's certainly Christians that come close to it, but they are more liberal and put Christianity first - e.g., Joel Berry comes to mind - and echo what you described earlier.
Regardless, I'm not arguing in favor of trad politics, I think we're beyond it especially since "trad" politics basically start and end with 1950s, nor am I interested in going back to the past, I'm noting that degeneracy of society goes hand in hand with degeneracy in approach to race. Pornography is a great example, as it exemplifies commodification and degradation of human existence & sexuality; inability & lack of desire of politicians and the economic system to help people; exploitation of women as a form of feminism/freedom, and in turn, exploitation and degeneration of men who keep the industry going, which itself has negative impact on society. If you do away with what underpins the approach to race - which is a combination of capitalism/individualism/equality/etc, or in other words, things that make people interchangeable and exploitable - you'll inevitably impact things like pornography, prostitution, promiscuity, etc, because those some values/laws/economy underpin that, too. That's the entire purpose of these politics to begin with.
With that said, immigration is certainly the primary issue of 21st century, not religion, social politics, etc. However, trying to get people to abandon the rest won't lead to more people embracing the stance on immigration, and the solution certainly isn't to be fine w/ it, but rather to restore meaning, purpose, and morality, while making coalitions w/ others on key issues, and accept that disagreement will occur on other, less currently important issues.
Thanks for your thoughtful response, but you're just wrong. Africa isn't permissive, it's just that those people are so violent, low IQ and out of control it looks that way. The punishments in Africa are quite punitive and regressive, they love them some patriarchy (FGM permissive?), the initiations for adolescence for boys are brutal, I could go on and on. Congo is almost 100 percent Christian. That says it all. Japan has their own folk religion (Shinto? Don't quote me) and it's so safe, you could get drunk in the middle of a city and a random stranger will take you home. But oh no tentacle porn! "Porn exemplifies commodification...degradation" The bottom line is this. Our sexuality was shaped by evolution for many people (but not all) in terms of domination, raw desire. That's why prostitution is the oldest profession. Many men are drawn to the idea of dominating and oh my god yes exploiting women. That does not mean this desire should be given absolute free reign but the attempt to eradicate it has always failed and it always will fail. "The idea that mutants and humans can live together is only a dream. Your foolish dream"-Magneto to Professor X.
Most of the most impoverished places on earth, where politicians have the most absolute free reign and the citizen means nothing (or there are no citizens) are also places where, surprise surprise, there is also a great deal of repression of pornography. Without a release for those urges, men are there to fight wars for corrupt oligarchs, and enact violence against women. That's another thing. I do find this concern for female exploitation a little insincere, as the areas of the world where women are the most brutalized (Africa, Middle East) also have severe restrictions on pornography. We've obviously seen in the contemporary west what happens when white hating grotesque LGBTQ freaks control our politics, groom our children. This has nothing to do with pornography as even now most pornography is an attractive white man and an attractive white woman having passionate aggressive sex. People who focus on the aberrations are like the folks who say "but sometimes white people are violent". Yeah, sometimes they are. And? It should also be noted that one of the strongest anti pornography traditions in the west comes from crazy woke women who lie about men, hate white people and want to destroy the west. Remind you of anyone?
And I'm sorry, the whole "it's capitalism" thing just doesn't work. There are problems with capitalism, but there was a lotta porn in the soviet union and other authoritarian societies. This is another just so. Capitalism had its problems (and I'm actually not a capitalist) but it's not why porn exists, this is just lazy dworkin feminist marxism. Large scale pornography in the modern western context (but don't kid yourself, it existed before) grew out of the managerial era, long after laissez faire had been abandoned and when people had many more options economically. They did not go into porn because there was no other work. And, again, prostitution, trafficking of women is a much bigger problem (and much more ubiquitous) in areas of the world where (I'm sorry to keep doing this) porn is much more heavily curtailed. I'm not saying restrictions on porn are the reason for that (it has to do with many other social and political factors) but it remains a fact. Lots of prostitution and weed in the Netherlands, one of the most wonderful places on earth to live. Only problem is now, their altruism let in a bunch of browns who don't like weed and whores not because 'muh capitalism' but because allah says so. When they aren't raping white women. Yaaay?
Which goes to the race point. People who point to demonic forces or loss of community, or individualism, or not enough christianity are over complicating things. It happened because whites' pathological altruism caused them to feel sorry for non white people. They believed the lies about their own history, felt ashamed, allowed non white people and their treacherous allies into power and got sold down the river. There is no bigger story, overarching narrative key to all mythologies. The truth isn't sexy, it's just the truth. Case in point what's eating people today. It isn't hollowing out of community, it isn't capitalism, it isn't loss of greater meaning (or all this meta crap that is just catnip to the right wing mind) it's the lack of maneuverability brought about by the cost of living brought about by how much non white people are weighing the economy down. Very simple. The reason a whole generation lost out on the American dream is because we gave a bunch of loans to blacks. As George Orwell said, freedom means the freedom to say 2 + 2 = 4.
Hey, I guess there was a society that didn't like cooming. Airstrip One. Committed to abolishing the orgasm (literally a concept in 1984) for the sake of the party. Be my guest.
Most of the people that I talk to who are sick of the rich big dogs running our government (and bringing in crap loads of non whites) talk about good wages, affordable health care, basic income. Making sure women aren't degraded in front of a screen (we'll just take it as read that no women enjoy being in pornography although that itself is highly questionable) with cum on their face not exactly a high priority.
With regard to your point about how "it's all connected" I go back to my original point in the previous post. I have really tried with the anti porn people (and I know there are women who had a sheyat life when they were in the industry but some of them actually take responsibility and own their own sheyat and don't claim porn made their life like that) and I don't find too many who really care about the destiny of white people. Sure, many of them aren't anti white lunatics, I grant you that, but in terms of our racial survival, they don't really care. You might hit a baseball with a hammer but a bat works a helluva lot better. We have a president who banged a porn star and he's doing more for white people than anybody since Calvin freaking Coolidge. The defense rests.
Some substantial part of this retreat to craziness - UFOs, French hit squads, etc - is that the real problems are so monumental and the required remedies so divisive that many people simply can’t face them.
In that way it’s not dissimilar from the excesses of wokery: unfalsifiable bullsht designed to avoid facing some very unpleasant truths.
The Left is insane but the Right is retarded. The fact Charlie Kirk’s murder has lead to such conspiracy theories is proof
Much of the right is like a dog who sees a squirrel. It’s annoying.
I'll throw out another pile of horse manure that's going to hurt us down the road, the antivaccine movement. We're already seeing increases in measles and whooping cough because of declines in childhood shots. This ill thought-out campaign used to be played by left-wing suburban crunchy moms but Covid brought some conservatives on board. Did Fauchi and friends oversell the effectiveness of the Covid vaccines in a moronic plan to get more people vaccinated? Yes. But on the other hand thousands of people are not "dying suddenly." Sadly vaccine demonization has moved beyond Covid to vaccines for childhood diseases. If more kids start dying because their parents refused vaccines, there will be political carnage at the ballot box.
honestly yes, we are 5 years out from the covid vaccine iirc 90 something percent of the population is vaccinated where are the mass deaths promised ?
Do you need the answer to that question served to you on a silver platter by Fauci himself? Have you not even seen one headline about the stark rise in aggressive cancer rates among all age groups starting in 2022? Do you know anything about all cause mortality and the supposedly unexplainable trends?
Foolish take. It's the immigrants bringing third-world diseases & living standards into our country. Don't try to tie up the ICP party with this.
The vaccines are poison. The medical industrial complex is a fraud. The fake Covid vaccines are cause turbo cancers and blood clots. No, it’s not causing a movement away from conservatives.
I'm gonna be honest...I want to see Tyler Robinson claim hes the scapegoat just to see how the ICP crowd reacts
I’m still 50/50 on if “magical thinking” is a double entendre or not
The stupid thing is that every big happening from now on is going to get the conspiracy treatment, as various podcasters pile on. This does not bode well for the Western tradition of detachment and observation, as opposed to those who are ruled by emotion and superstition.
The late, great Z Man called these people carnies. Candace is a carny. So is Nick Fuentes, and sadly Tucker is now.
Scott Greer is NOT a carny or else I would not have subscribed to him!
I don't get thee people why do they want to make politics entertaining and not just engage with it on it's terms.
Edit needed (should be “wreaking”): “Now magical thinking is wrecking havoc on the Right…”
This is exactly what I've been talking about, although I would probably go further than Greer. This is the kind of lunacy you get from trad people with repressed sexuality who have absolutely lost control over their own minds. Endless focus on the JQ, well out of proportion, and pursuing a repressive social agenda (abortion, AV laws) is a major distraction from helping white people and reducing the power of non whites. There are many people who would prefer a hedonistic, pleasure seeking society (myself included, other people on the left, who you might call the racist liberals) who still want non whites heckin gone. Building bridges with them is a much more effective use of time than allowing these people to burn everything down. Jared Taylor has said much the same thing. And their troll king is Fuentes and people like Carlson, even though the happy couple has apparently now had a falling out. The only worthwhile part of project 2025 is deportations. The rest should be done away with. It was amazing to see the usually sensible actually take this, or them seriously The constant refrain you hear from these people is that they have more in common with a non white person (who will spread violence, filth, squalor and actively wants to harm us) merely if they agree with their trad opinions on cultural issues. This is apart from the fact that trad moral crusades always exclusively focus on persecuting lonely, sexually frustrated white males, whereas child predators, rainbow people and black males can do whatever they want. This branch of the right, the "it's not race it's culture" people who say "christianity is what matters" should be utterly expunged from the movement. I'm glad greer wrote this. There also needs to be a recognition that the need to remove such people is about safeguarding whites, it isn't a cover for some zionist agenda.
TLDR: “I’m a liberal on everything but race.” Honesty is good, but these things come together - “just the tip” never stop at the tip.
In general, I think you're right, but there's a number of reasons why in this context, you're wrong. Firstly, homogenous all white societies tend to be more permissive anyway. And this happened in ancient times too, so it can't just be explained in terms of the industrial revolution. Trad is non coded and most non societies are some form of trad. Second, most of the people who are trad (not saying there aren't exceptions) are either actively anti-racist, not as concerned about race, or they care but it's one thing juggled amongst many and so it undermines their racial concerns.
Moreover, just as Kevin DeAnna and Paul Kersey recently discussed the idea where even boomers who helped to promote diversity shouldn't have to live in suffering being abused by black health care "workers" at the end of their life, white people shouldn't have to live in constant fear of non violence just because they enjoy pornography and you disapprove. I'll believe trad is the road to white identity when I stop seeing people obsessed with sexual morality and repressing sex counter signaling race. And I'll wait for the rest of my life.
I think it depends on where and when, but certainly - much of it not good either. You've also had the inverse (e.g., Augustus mandating marriage). If you look at Africa, similarly, you'll find high permissiveness, especially historically.
I don't think your characterization is correct, most of those "trad" tend to be further to the right. There's certainly Christians that come close to it, but they are more liberal and put Christianity first - e.g., Joel Berry comes to mind - and echo what you described earlier.
Regardless, I'm not arguing in favor of trad politics, I think we're beyond it especially since "trad" politics basically start and end with 1950s, nor am I interested in going back to the past, I'm noting that degeneracy of society goes hand in hand with degeneracy in approach to race. Pornography is a great example, as it exemplifies commodification and degradation of human existence & sexuality; inability & lack of desire of politicians and the economic system to help people; exploitation of women as a form of feminism/freedom, and in turn, exploitation and degeneration of men who keep the industry going, which itself has negative impact on society. If you do away with what underpins the approach to race - which is a combination of capitalism/individualism/equality/etc, or in other words, things that make people interchangeable and exploitable - you'll inevitably impact things like pornography, prostitution, promiscuity, etc, because those some values/laws/economy underpin that, too. That's the entire purpose of these politics to begin with.
With that said, immigration is certainly the primary issue of 21st century, not religion, social politics, etc. However, trying to get people to abandon the rest won't lead to more people embracing the stance on immigration, and the solution certainly isn't to be fine w/ it, but rather to restore meaning, purpose, and morality, while making coalitions w/ others on key issues, and accept that disagreement will occur on other, less currently important issues.
Thanks for your thoughtful response, but you're just wrong. Africa isn't permissive, it's just that those people are so violent, low IQ and out of control it looks that way. The punishments in Africa are quite punitive and regressive, they love them some patriarchy (FGM permissive?), the initiations for adolescence for boys are brutal, I could go on and on. Congo is almost 100 percent Christian. That says it all. Japan has their own folk religion (Shinto? Don't quote me) and it's so safe, you could get drunk in the middle of a city and a random stranger will take you home. But oh no tentacle porn! "Porn exemplifies commodification...degradation" The bottom line is this. Our sexuality was shaped by evolution for many people (but not all) in terms of domination, raw desire. That's why prostitution is the oldest profession. Many men are drawn to the idea of dominating and oh my god yes exploiting women. That does not mean this desire should be given absolute free reign but the attempt to eradicate it has always failed and it always will fail. "The idea that mutants and humans can live together is only a dream. Your foolish dream"-Magneto to Professor X.
Most of the most impoverished places on earth, where politicians have the most absolute free reign and the citizen means nothing (or there are no citizens) are also places where, surprise surprise, there is also a great deal of repression of pornography. Without a release for those urges, men are there to fight wars for corrupt oligarchs, and enact violence against women. That's another thing. I do find this concern for female exploitation a little insincere, as the areas of the world where women are the most brutalized (Africa, Middle East) also have severe restrictions on pornography. We've obviously seen in the contemporary west what happens when white hating grotesque LGBTQ freaks control our politics, groom our children. This has nothing to do with pornography as even now most pornography is an attractive white man and an attractive white woman having passionate aggressive sex. People who focus on the aberrations are like the folks who say "but sometimes white people are violent". Yeah, sometimes they are. And? It should also be noted that one of the strongest anti pornography traditions in the west comes from crazy woke women who lie about men, hate white people and want to destroy the west. Remind you of anyone?
And I'm sorry, the whole "it's capitalism" thing just doesn't work. There are problems with capitalism, but there was a lotta porn in the soviet union and other authoritarian societies. This is another just so. Capitalism had its problems (and I'm actually not a capitalist) but it's not why porn exists, this is just lazy dworkin feminist marxism. Large scale pornography in the modern western context (but don't kid yourself, it existed before) grew out of the managerial era, long after laissez faire had been abandoned and when people had many more options economically. They did not go into porn because there was no other work. And, again, prostitution, trafficking of women is a much bigger problem (and much more ubiquitous) in areas of the world where (I'm sorry to keep doing this) porn is much more heavily curtailed. I'm not saying restrictions on porn are the reason for that (it has to do with many other social and political factors) but it remains a fact. Lots of prostitution and weed in the Netherlands, one of the most wonderful places on earth to live. Only problem is now, their altruism let in a bunch of browns who don't like weed and whores not because 'muh capitalism' but because allah says so. When they aren't raping white women. Yaaay?
Which goes to the race point. People who point to demonic forces or loss of community, or individualism, or not enough christianity are over complicating things. It happened because whites' pathological altruism caused them to feel sorry for non white people. They believed the lies about their own history, felt ashamed, allowed non white people and their treacherous allies into power and got sold down the river. There is no bigger story, overarching narrative key to all mythologies. The truth isn't sexy, it's just the truth. Case in point what's eating people today. It isn't hollowing out of community, it isn't capitalism, it isn't loss of greater meaning (or all this meta crap that is just catnip to the right wing mind) it's the lack of maneuverability brought about by the cost of living brought about by how much non white people are weighing the economy down. Very simple. The reason a whole generation lost out on the American dream is because we gave a bunch of loans to blacks. As George Orwell said, freedom means the freedom to say 2 + 2 = 4.
Hey, I guess there was a society that didn't like cooming. Airstrip One. Committed to abolishing the orgasm (literally a concept in 1984) for the sake of the party. Be my guest.
Most of the people that I talk to who are sick of the rich big dogs running our government (and bringing in crap loads of non whites) talk about good wages, affordable health care, basic income. Making sure women aren't degraded in front of a screen (we'll just take it as read that no women enjoy being in pornography although that itself is highly questionable) with cum on their face not exactly a high priority.
With regard to your point about how "it's all connected" I go back to my original point in the previous post. I have really tried with the anti porn people (and I know there are women who had a sheyat life when they were in the industry but some of them actually take responsibility and own their own sheyat and don't claim porn made their life like that) and I don't find too many who really care about the destiny of white people. Sure, many of them aren't anti white lunatics, I grant you that, but in terms of our racial survival, they don't really care. You might hit a baseball with a hammer but a bat works a helluva lot better. We have a president who banged a porn star and he's doing more for white people than anybody since Calvin freaking Coolidge. The defense rests.
Lots of TYPOS today Scott!
“why mass immigration is a disaster”
Hanania claims the predictions of disaster have not borne out, e.g., crime is down. What are your metrics?
Some substantial part of this retreat to craziness - UFOs, French hit squads, etc - is that the real problems are so monumental and the required remedies so divisive that many people simply can’t face them.
In that way it’s not dissimilar from the excesses of wokery: unfalsifiable bullsht designed to avoid facing some very unpleasant truths.
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