I'll throw out another pile of horse manure that's going to hurt us down the road, the antivaccine movement. We're already seeing increases in measles and whooping cough because of declines in childhood shots. This ill thought-out campaign used to be played by left-wing suburban crunchy moms but Covid brought some conservatives on board. Did Fauchi and friends oversell the effectiveness of the Covid vaccines in a moronic plan to get more people vaccinated? Yes. But on the other hand thousands of people are not "dying suddenly." Sadly vaccine demonization has moved beyond Covid to vaccines for childhood diseases. If more kids start dying because their parents refused vaccines, there will be political carnage at the ballot box.
Until Fauci actually faces consequences then why should people trust the CDC (which has a tranny high up)? You might just say “SCIENCE” but appeals to authority only work if the authority is trustworthy which the CDC no longer is which is why each administration will have different prescriptions
The vaccines are poison. The medical industrial complex is a fraud. The fake Covid vaccines are cause turbo cancers and blood clots. No, it’s not causing a movement away from conservatives.
The stupid thing is that every big happening from now on is going to get the conspiracy treatment, as various podcasters pile on. This does not bode well for the Western tradition of detachment and observation, as opposed to those who are ruled by emotion and superstition.
The late, great Z Man called these people carnies. Candace is a carny. So is Nick Fuentes, and sadly Tucker is now.
Some substantial part of this retreat to craziness - UFOs, French hit squads, etc - is that the real problems are so monumental and the required remedies so divisive that many people simply can’t face them.
In that way it’s not dissimilar from the excesses of wokery: unfalsifiable bullsht designed to avoid facing some very unpleasant truths.
This is exactly what I've been talking about, although I would probably go further than Greer. This is the kind of lunacy you get from trad people with repressed sexuality who have absolutely lost control over their own minds. Endless focus on the JQ, well out of proportion, and pursuing a repressive social agenda (abortion, AV laws) is a major distraction from helping white people and reducing the power of non whites. There are many people who would prefer a hedonistic, pleasure seeking society (myself included, other people on the left, who you might call the racist liberals) who still want non whites heckin gone. Building bridges with them is a much more effective use of time than allowing these people to burn everything down. Jared Taylor has said much the same thing. And their troll king is Fuentes and people like Carlson, even though the happy couple has apparently now had a falling out. The only worthwhile part of project 2025 is deportations. The rest should be done away with. It was amazing to see the usually sensible actually take this, or them seriously The constant refrain you hear from these people is that they have more in common with a non white person (who will spread violence, filth, squalor and actively wants to harm us) merely if they agree with their trad opinions on cultural issues. This is apart from the fact that trad moral crusades always exclusively focus on persecuting lonely, sexually frustrated white males, whereas child predators, rainbow people and black males can do whatever they want. This branch of the right, the "it's not race it's culture" people who say "christianity is what matters" should be utterly expunged from the movement. I'm glad greer wrote this. There also needs to be a recognition that the need to remove such people is about safeguarding whites, it isn't a cover for some zionist agenda.
In general, I think you're right, but there's a number of reasons why in this context, you're wrong. Firstly, homogenous all white societies tend to be more permissive anyway. And this happened in ancient times too, so it can't just be explained in terms of the industrial revolution. Trad is non coded and most non societies are some form of trad. Second, most of the people who are trad (not saying there aren't exceptions) are either actively anti-racist, not as concerned about race, or they care but it's one thing juggled amongst many and so it undermines their racial concerns.
Moreover, just as Kevin DeAnna and Paul Kersey recently discussed the idea where even boomers who helped to promote diversity shouldn't have to live in suffering being abused by black health care "workers" at the end of their life, white people shouldn't have to live in constant fear of non violence just because they enjoy pornography and you disapprove. I'll believe trad is the road to white identity when I stop seeing people obsessed with sexual morality and repressing sex counter signaling race. And I'll wait for the rest of my life.
I think it depends on where and when, but certainly - much of it not good either. You've also had the inverse (e.g., Augustus mandating marriage). If you look at Africa, similarly, you'll find high permissiveness, especially historically.
I don't think your characterization is correct, most of those "trad" tend to be further to the right. There's certainly Christians that come close to it, but they are more liberal and put Christianity first - e.g., Joel Berry comes to mind - and echo what you described earlier.
Regardless, I'm not arguing in favor of trad politics, I think we're beyond it especially since "trad" politics basically start and end with 1950s, nor am I interested in going back to the past, I'm noting that degeneracy of society goes hand in hand with degeneracy in approach to race. Pornography is a great example, as it exemplifies commodification and degradation of human existence & sexuality; inability & lack of desire of politicians and the economic system to help people; exploitation of women as a form of feminism/freedom, and in turn, exploitation and degeneration of men who keep the industry going, which itself has negative impact on society. If you do away with what underpins the approach to race - which is a combination of capitalism/individualism/equality/etc, or in other words, things that make people interchangeable and exploitable - you'll inevitably impact things like pornography, prostitution, promiscuity, etc, because those some values/laws/economy underpin that, too. That's the entire purpose of these politics to begin with.
With that said, immigration is certainly the primary issue of 21st century, not religion, social politics, etc. However, trying to get people to abandon the rest won't lead to more people embracing the stance on immigration, and the solution certainly isn't to be fine w/ it, but rather to restore meaning, purpose, and morality, while making coalitions w/ others on key issues, and accept that disagreement will occur on other, less currently important issues.
The Left is insane but the Right is retarded. The fact Charlie Kirk’s murder has lead to such conspiracy theories is proof
Much of the right is like a dog who sees a squirrel. It’s annoying.
I’m still 50/50 on if “magical thinking” is a double entendre or not
I'll throw out another pile of horse manure that's going to hurt us down the road, the antivaccine movement. We're already seeing increases in measles and whooping cough because of declines in childhood shots. This ill thought-out campaign used to be played by left-wing suburban crunchy moms but Covid brought some conservatives on board. Did Fauchi and friends oversell the effectiveness of the Covid vaccines in a moronic plan to get more people vaccinated? Yes. But on the other hand thousands of people are not "dying suddenly." Sadly vaccine demonization has moved beyond Covid to vaccines for childhood diseases. If more kids start dying because their parents refused vaccines, there will be political carnage at the ballot box.
Until Fauci actually faces consequences then why should people trust the CDC (which has a tranny high up)? You might just say “SCIENCE” but appeals to authority only work if the authority is trustworthy which the CDC no longer is which is why each administration will have different prescriptions
honestly yes, we are 5 years out from the covid vaccine iirc 90 something percent of the population is vaccinated where are the mass deaths promised ?
Foolish take. It's the immigrants bringing third-world diseases & living standards into our country. Don't try to tie up the ICP party with this.
The vaccines are poison. The medical industrial complex is a fraud. The fake Covid vaccines are cause turbo cancers and blood clots. No, it’s not causing a movement away from conservatives.
Also there is zero correlation between a whooping cough outbreak and declines in childhood shots. Come with actual some stats/facts
I'm gonna be honest...I want to see Tyler Robinson claim hes the scapegoat just to see how the ICP crowd reacts
The stupid thing is that every big happening from now on is going to get the conspiracy treatment, as various podcasters pile on. This does not bode well for the Western tradition of detachment and observation, as opposed to those who are ruled by emotion and superstition.
The late, great Z Man called these people carnies. Candace is a carny. So is Nick Fuentes, and sadly Tucker is now.
I don't get thee people why do they want to make politics entertaining and not just engage with it on it's terms.
It doesn't matter if your observations about reality or politics is 1:1 accurate with the world if you refuse to act.
Revealed preference implies the American Right wants a third party to intervene and liberate them.
Some substantial part of this retreat to craziness - UFOs, French hit squads, etc - is that the real problems are so monumental and the required remedies so divisive that many people simply can’t face them.
In that way it’s not dissimilar from the excesses of wokery: unfalsifiable bullsht designed to avoid facing some very unpleasant truths.
Edit needed (should be “wreaking”): “Now magical thinking is wrecking havoc on the Right…”
This is exactly what I've been talking about, although I would probably go further than Greer. This is the kind of lunacy you get from trad people with repressed sexuality who have absolutely lost control over their own minds. Endless focus on the JQ, well out of proportion, and pursuing a repressive social agenda (abortion, AV laws) is a major distraction from helping white people and reducing the power of non whites. There are many people who would prefer a hedonistic, pleasure seeking society (myself included, other people on the left, who you might call the racist liberals) who still want non whites heckin gone. Building bridges with them is a much more effective use of time than allowing these people to burn everything down. Jared Taylor has said much the same thing. And their troll king is Fuentes and people like Carlson, even though the happy couple has apparently now had a falling out. The only worthwhile part of project 2025 is deportations. The rest should be done away with. It was amazing to see the usually sensible actually take this, or them seriously The constant refrain you hear from these people is that they have more in common with a non white person (who will spread violence, filth, squalor and actively wants to harm us) merely if they agree with their trad opinions on cultural issues. This is apart from the fact that trad moral crusades always exclusively focus on persecuting lonely, sexually frustrated white males, whereas child predators, rainbow people and black males can do whatever they want. This branch of the right, the "it's not race it's culture" people who say "christianity is what matters" should be utterly expunged from the movement. I'm glad greer wrote this. There also needs to be a recognition that the need to remove such people is about safeguarding whites, it isn't a cover for some zionist agenda.
TLDR: “I’m a liberal on everything but race.” Honesty is good, but these things come together - “just the tip” never stop at the tip.
In general, I think you're right, but there's a number of reasons why in this context, you're wrong. Firstly, homogenous all white societies tend to be more permissive anyway. And this happened in ancient times too, so it can't just be explained in terms of the industrial revolution. Trad is non coded and most non societies are some form of trad. Second, most of the people who are trad (not saying there aren't exceptions) are either actively anti-racist, not as concerned about race, or they care but it's one thing juggled amongst many and so it undermines their racial concerns.
Moreover, just as Kevin DeAnna and Paul Kersey recently discussed the idea where even boomers who helped to promote diversity shouldn't have to live in suffering being abused by black health care "workers" at the end of their life, white people shouldn't have to live in constant fear of non violence just because they enjoy pornography and you disapprove. I'll believe trad is the road to white identity when I stop seeing people obsessed with sexual morality and repressing sex counter signaling race. And I'll wait for the rest of my life.
I think it depends on where and when, but certainly - much of it not good either. You've also had the inverse (e.g., Augustus mandating marriage). If you look at Africa, similarly, you'll find high permissiveness, especially historically.
I don't think your characterization is correct, most of those "trad" tend to be further to the right. There's certainly Christians that come close to it, but they are more liberal and put Christianity first - e.g., Joel Berry comes to mind - and echo what you described earlier.
Regardless, I'm not arguing in favor of trad politics, I think we're beyond it especially since "trad" politics basically start and end with 1950s, nor am I interested in going back to the past, I'm noting that degeneracy of society goes hand in hand with degeneracy in approach to race. Pornography is a great example, as it exemplifies commodification and degradation of human existence & sexuality; inability & lack of desire of politicians and the economic system to help people; exploitation of women as a form of feminism/freedom, and in turn, exploitation and degeneration of men who keep the industry going, which itself has negative impact on society. If you do away with what underpins the approach to race - which is a combination of capitalism/individualism/equality/etc, or in other words, things that make people interchangeable and exploitable - you'll inevitably impact things like pornography, prostitution, promiscuity, etc, because those some values/laws/economy underpin that, too. That's the entire purpose of these politics to begin with.
With that said, immigration is certainly the primary issue of 21st century, not religion, social politics, etc. However, trying to get people to abandon the rest won't lead to more people embracing the stance on immigration, and the solution certainly isn't to be fine w/ it, but rather to restore meaning, purpose, and morality, while making coalitions w/ others on key issues, and accept that disagreement will occur on other, less currently important issues.
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Lots of TYPOS today Scott!