So-called right wingers who castigate Taylor for stating the obvious are obviously so brainwashed by the blindness of the Left they have become mangled progressives.
Jared did very well in that debate, I was pleasantly surprised. Frustrating to see people somehow attacking him from the right after that performance, but everybody’s a critic.
Good points in here about the lionizing of the worst of our people, Scott. Indeed, that is a very Black thing to do and we should stay away from it if we want to cultivate excellence amongst our people. What’s next, are we going to start defending wigger culture?
Very disappointed in those that are attacking Jared Taylor for an off-hand (and largely correct) remark. I now think less of some people that I used to admire.
It's not that Taylor stated some unfortunate general facts about many lower class whites in W. Virginia it's that he did so in such a mocking and derisive tone much to the delight of the ghoulish Dick Hanania. It smacked of virtue signaling to the anti-white left and right wing elitists both of whom hold poor and working class whites in contempt. The former for racial reasons and the latter for socioeconomic reasons.
To the best of my knowledge Taylor has never spoken that way about blacks or other non-whites. Rather, Taylor just dispassionately points out the social pathologies of non-whites and that is the point Greer and other Jared Taylor apologists are missing.
Jason Kessler, in his excellent rebuttal of Taylor's faux paus in Counter Currents, rightfully points out that poor whites with the physical defects and problems gleefully noted by Taylor might be in better shape if they received as much help as blacks are showered with such as good paying jobs and slots at top universities. Why don't poor whites get moved to rich white zip codes like blacks do? Where are their set asides?
But in reality poor whites get no help and no sympathy from major institutions or the government and are held in utter contempt by virtually everyone especially American elites of all ethnic persuasions. And only poor whites are responsible for their own plight whereas the bottom feeders of other racial groups are supposedly victims of systemic racism and an "unjust" system.
Whether Jared Taylor had a weak moment or just didn't think his comments through very carefully I don't know but I hope he learns from this. It should not define him nor should he be cancelled given all the good that he's done defending and promoting white racial interests and in awakening many normie whites to their darkening future in America and throughout the West. But his mockery of downscale whites in W. Virginia was very disappointing.
The fact that the comment generated intense outrage shows this was not some sign of "virtue signaling." A lot of dumb people thought this was made to get in the good graces of liberals. Liberals wouldn't even like the comment. It was Taylor expressing his own views.
When you have contributed as much as Taylor has, you don't need to accept bad faith "lessons" that you should never notice that there are a lot of obese people with ugly tattoos living in downscale areas. People who demand this version of political correctness generally don't live near these areas (similar to liberals who romanticize the ghetto), yet insist that their delicate sensibilities be respected.
More like surprise and shock and not "intense outrage" that a leading pro-white advocate was more contemptuous of lower class whites than Barack Obama. Recall that Obama merely said that rural whites clung to their guns and religion and Taylor, Amren and even some mainstream conservatives seized on that as proof of Obama's disdain for white people and they weren't wrong.
A lot of dumb people also think that if you're not reminding working poor whites how stupid, fat and ugly they are 24/7 and churning out tweets and Substack posts to that effect then that's tantamount to pedestalizing and lionizing them. The fact that Taylor has already clarified his comments and backtracked somewhat proves he knows he should have chosen his words more carefully.
Naturally we don't want our fellow whites to aspire to obesity, tattoos and undereducation but I think we can get our point across without constantly mocking, insulting and lampooning whites on the lower end of the socioeconomic spectrum. But you seem to have difficulty grasping this concept and default to strawmanning and attacking anyone who has the nerve to disagree with Taylor's comments.
Good points, but I dislike your tone at the end when you say he “didn’t think his comments through very carefully” and that you “hope he learns from this.” This reads like it was taken straight from a critical theory struggle session about micro aggressions. Let’s not be so thin skinned.
The whole point of those mad is to have a struggle session and undermine Taylor. It further reinforces my point that this are is the Right's own version of political correctness
You and Scott are both overreacting. Is it too much to expect a leading pro-white advocate, perhaps the leading pro-white advocate, not to speak contemptuously of poor and less fortunate whites? Are we just supposed to say "amen" every time Jared Taylor speaks regardless of what he says?
It goes without saying that no one should be trying to "cancel" Jared Taylor. His commitment to white advocacy is not in question and he's sacrificed a ton to get our message out there. Having said that, I have a few problems with this article and how this whole thing has been framed.
For one, the idea that the white underclass is treated similarly in any way to the black underclass is just not true at all. There is no group in America that gets shit on more than poor whites and I don't think it's particularly close. It's everywhere; in movies, TV commercials, comedy, etc and it's been that way for decades. They are regularly portrayed as inbred, stupid, and lazy. I'm not going to sit here and say that there are not real issues in Appalachia-there obviously are-but at some point people get tired of seeing an old dog get kicked.
At the risk of sounding weepy, this is a region that has given a lot for America but has essentially been totally forgotten. It's certainly not the case that the white underclass has been treated with kid gloves and just needs mocked or criticized a few more times before they get their act together; only concrete policy and social changes are going to move the needle here. The comparisons to inner city ghettos are just not accurate, are overly simplistic, and should not be made.
The other aspect of this is where these comments were made. There's a time and place for self-reflection and constructive criticism, but that was not it. Richard Hanania is not a friend, he's an enemy. I don't understand AT ALL why right wingers keep giving this guy the time of day. He hates us, hates what we stand for, and openly cheers on the great replacement. When people tell you who they are, listen! To make these comments about downscale whites, even if based in truth, while Hanania looks on gleefully is just a bad look and quite frankly I'm surprised and disappointed that Jared didn't realize that.
As I said, it's not the media that treats poor whites like blacks. It's right-wingers. Even though poor whites are sometimes mocked, the right exaggerates the extent of it. Whites are mocked for being white, not for living in trailer parks.
It doesn't matter if he said it to Hanania. Taylor is given few chances to share his views with a different audience. Hanania offered him that. Taylor offered his honest opinion. He shouldn't censor himself simply because it might upset the delicate sensibilities of some RWers
Taylor himself doesn't even agree with this. He spoke about this controversy on the most recent AmRen podcast and one of the first things he said was that it was a mistake to say this to someone like Richard Hanania who "has contempt for our race."
Respectfully, please stop defending Richard Hanania.
My grandmother, from Maryland, gave birth to my mother on an Army base in Japan, while my grandfather, from Tennessee, fought in Korea. I guess according to some Internet nationalists I’m second-generation Japanese. Should I self-deport? (I hope there’s a SCV and a SAR chapter there!) Do these nationalists, logically, accept that any person born on American soil is thereby an American? Are they opposed to the Trump administration challenging birthright citizenship?
So-called right wingers who castigate Taylor for stating the obvious are obviously so brainwashed by the blindness of the Left they have become mangled progressives.
Jared did very well in that debate, I was pleasantly surprised. Frustrating to see people somehow attacking him from the right after that performance, but everybody’s a critic.
Good points in here about the lionizing of the worst of our people, Scott. Indeed, that is a very Black thing to do and we should stay away from it if we want to cultivate excellence amongst our people. What’s next, are we going to start defending wigger culture?
Very disappointed in those that are attacking Jared Taylor for an off-hand (and largely correct) remark. I now think less of some people that I used to admire.
It's not that Taylor stated some unfortunate general facts about many lower class whites in W. Virginia it's that he did so in such a mocking and derisive tone much to the delight of the ghoulish Dick Hanania. It smacked of virtue signaling to the anti-white left and right wing elitists both of whom hold poor and working class whites in contempt. The former for racial reasons and the latter for socioeconomic reasons.
To the best of my knowledge Taylor has never spoken that way about blacks or other non-whites. Rather, Taylor just dispassionately points out the social pathologies of non-whites and that is the point Greer and other Jared Taylor apologists are missing.
Jason Kessler, in his excellent rebuttal of Taylor's faux paus in Counter Currents, rightfully points out that poor whites with the physical defects and problems gleefully noted by Taylor might be in better shape if they received as much help as blacks are showered with such as good paying jobs and slots at top universities. Why don't poor whites get moved to rich white zip codes like blacks do? Where are their set asides?
But in reality poor whites get no help and no sympathy from major institutions or the government and are held in utter contempt by virtually everyone especially American elites of all ethnic persuasions. And only poor whites are responsible for their own plight whereas the bottom feeders of other racial groups are supposedly victims of systemic racism and an "unjust" system.
Whether Jared Taylor had a weak moment or just didn't think his comments through very carefully I don't know but I hope he learns from this. It should not define him nor should he be cancelled given all the good that he's done defending and promoting white racial interests and in awakening many normie whites to their darkening future in America and throughout the West. But his mockery of downscale whites in W. Virginia was very disappointing.
The fact that the comment generated intense outrage shows this was not some sign of "virtue signaling." A lot of dumb people thought this was made to get in the good graces of liberals. Liberals wouldn't even like the comment. It was Taylor expressing his own views.
When you have contributed as much as Taylor has, you don't need to accept bad faith "lessons" that you should never notice that there are a lot of obese people with ugly tattoos living in downscale areas. People who demand this version of political correctness generally don't live near these areas (similar to liberals who romanticize the ghetto), yet insist that their delicate sensibilities be respected.
More like surprise and shock and not "intense outrage" that a leading pro-white advocate was more contemptuous of lower class whites than Barack Obama. Recall that Obama merely said that rural whites clung to their guns and religion and Taylor, Amren and even some mainstream conservatives seized on that as proof of Obama's disdain for white people and they weren't wrong.
A lot of dumb people also think that if you're not reminding working poor whites how stupid, fat and ugly they are 24/7 and churning out tweets and Substack posts to that effect then that's tantamount to pedestalizing and lionizing them. The fact that Taylor has already clarified his comments and backtracked somewhat proves he knows he should have chosen his words more carefully.
Naturally we don't want our fellow whites to aspire to obesity, tattoos and undereducation but I think we can get our point across without constantly mocking, insulting and lampooning whites on the lower end of the socioeconomic spectrum. But you seem to have difficulty grasping this concept and default to strawmanning and attacking anyone who has the nerve to disagree with Taylor's comments.
Good points, but I dislike your tone at the end when you say he “didn’t think his comments through very carefully” and that you “hope he learns from this.” This reads like it was taken straight from a critical theory struggle session about micro aggressions. Let’s not be so thin skinned.
The whole point of those mad is to have a struggle session and undermine Taylor. It further reinforces my point that this are is the Right's own version of political correctness
You and Scott are both overreacting. Is it too much to expect a leading pro-white advocate, perhaps the leading pro-white advocate, not to speak contemptuously of poor and less fortunate whites? Are we just supposed to say "amen" every time Jared Taylor speaks regardless of what he says?
It goes without saying that no one should be trying to "cancel" Jared Taylor. His commitment to white advocacy is not in question and he's sacrificed a ton to get our message out there. Having said that, I have a few problems with this article and how this whole thing has been framed.
For one, the idea that the white underclass is treated similarly in any way to the black underclass is just not true at all. There is no group in America that gets shit on more than poor whites and I don't think it's particularly close. It's everywhere; in movies, TV commercials, comedy, etc and it's been that way for decades. They are regularly portrayed as inbred, stupid, and lazy. I'm not going to sit here and say that there are not real issues in Appalachia-there obviously are-but at some point people get tired of seeing an old dog get kicked.
At the risk of sounding weepy, this is a region that has given a lot for America but has essentially been totally forgotten. It's certainly not the case that the white underclass has been treated with kid gloves and just needs mocked or criticized a few more times before they get their act together; only concrete policy and social changes are going to move the needle here. The comparisons to inner city ghettos are just not accurate, are overly simplistic, and should not be made.
The other aspect of this is where these comments were made. There's a time and place for self-reflection and constructive criticism, but that was not it. Richard Hanania is not a friend, he's an enemy. I don't understand AT ALL why right wingers keep giving this guy the time of day. He hates us, hates what we stand for, and openly cheers on the great replacement. When people tell you who they are, listen! To make these comments about downscale whites, even if based in truth, while Hanania looks on gleefully is just a bad look and quite frankly I'm surprised and disappointed that Jared didn't realize that.
As I said, it's not the media that treats poor whites like blacks. It's right-wingers. Even though poor whites are sometimes mocked, the right exaggerates the extent of it. Whites are mocked for being white, not for living in trailer parks.
It doesn't matter if he said it to Hanania. Taylor is given few chances to share his views with a different audience. Hanania offered him that. Taylor offered his honest opinion. He shouldn't censor himself simply because it might upset the delicate sensibilities of some RWers
"It doesn't matter if he said it to Hanania."
Taylor himself doesn't even agree with this. He spoke about this controversy on the most recent AmRen podcast and one of the first things he said was that it was a mistake to say this to someone like Richard Hanania who "has contempt for our race."
Respectfully, please stop defending Richard Hanania.
My grandmother, from Maryland, gave birth to my mother on an Army base in Japan, while my grandfather, from Tennessee, fought in Korea. I guess according to some Internet nationalists I’m second-generation Japanese. Should I self-deport? (I hope there’s a SCV and a SAR chapter there!) Do these nationalists, logically, accept that any person born on American soil is thereby an American? Are they opposed to the Trump administration challenging birthright citizenship?