The LDS church has taken a much more moderate position than the Catholics or progressive Protestants on immigration. Basically: “be nice when you’re deporting people”
I don't personally like the religious tone of the new New Right. Sounds like the old right to me - the right of Ralph Reed, except with less emphasis on capitalism. JD himself is opening himself up to criticism and unpopularity...his wife is Hindoo. So is Vivek. There are plenty of Jews in the New Right.
If you're Christian and believe that Jesus is the Son of God, and everyone else needs to come to Jesus, it's very easy for that to morph into hating on Hindus (as is happening) and be anti-Semitic (also happening). More overt Christians are calling Hindus pagans. Of course we got the Christ-killer thing. JD Vance almost certainly reads this stuff? Where does it lead to?
Vance probably hopes that kind, welcoming Christians is the way. Live by example and proselytize that way. I'm afraid that has been tried, and we are seeing the results as giant statues of Hanuman are being erected, and mosques popping up like vape shops.
Centering your message around Christianity is always the best way to go, as long as it doesn't let bad faith actors into the mix to play to the perceived "Judge Not" principle that non-Christians like to throw out there. Need to stand against mass immigration, lax abortion laws, and support for Israel. Creating a American Christian coalition needs to make the group and nation stronger, not opening it up crap policies for the sake of "being nice".
This religious identity is counterproductive, like you said. It includes many different races. A racial identity would be more appropriate. Not to mention, Christianity is gradually fading around the world.
I'm descended from heritage americans which i just refer as the founding stock or conquerors. Than throw in the admixture of Irish refugee losers and southern European economic migrants to create a mess. I have more love for my anglo Saxon conquerors because they formed the nation that rules the continent whereas the others are merely hangers on who came for purely economic reasons.
Blacks resist assimilation to the point where they think of themselves as a separate nation. Seems to be changing as black men go with other women in high numbers which seems to piss off black females.
The most important point is what is a American? Do we have a common purpose or are we separate tribes jockeying for spoils? Unless we assimilate to the founding stock and with each other, common purpose will not happen. First step is still to shut off legal migration like the first half of the 20th century and rid our land of illegals. After that, we can talk more.
Good piece. In a way both sides are becoming more ideological and moral, with the left becoming more economically Marxist and the right becoming more Christian. That said there is no “trajectory” for the right because the right doesn’t have a plan at all, let alone the ability to act on one, they only have flavors of reaction
They can't have a plan, because the nature of conservatism (the western variety, anyway) is not to plan - it's for things to develop organically based on environment and lifeways. A conservative is there to keep the kids and the crazies from upsetting the natural order. They love father figures and Christ is the ultimate father figure. Unfortunately, Christ is many things to many people, and that is not good enough for a ruling consensus.
Yes, Smack right on. People are blissfully unaware that Christianity has nothing to do with the teachings of Jesus. It was a substitution and an adaptation by Paul to the Roman Empire, which then allowed the Emperor Constantine to create a Disney version at the Council of Nicea. People are also blissfully unaware that at least one of the founders of the USA, Thomas Jefferson, was highly aware of the chasm between Jesus and Paul, and developed his own distillation of the teachings of Jesus, the so-called Jefferson Bible, in an attempt to lift the teachings of Jesus out of the deadly embrace of Christianity. Since the gradual rediscovery of many texts and traditions that were exorcised from Christianity, most notably the Gospel of Thomas, it is now plain to all that studying and following Jesus are different from being a Christian. Jefferson could not stand the Church, and while I do not always agree with his selection, it is very interesting that he developed that little book, which was a clear statement that he disagreed with the church reading of Jesus, through the editorial lense of Paul and the Nicene creed. In the end, I am a bit sceptical of Jefferson´s reading, but at least he made the effort. He could not stand sitting in church, because he disagreed with their reading so completely.
The LDS church has taken a much more moderate position than the Catholics or progressive Protestants on immigration. Basically: “be nice when you’re deporting people”
Don't forget the Catholic Charity groups that aren't even run by Catholics
Happening here in the UK to.
For me it's the ultimate containment operation for White people.
It's identity politics for mainstream right wing parties who want to win 55% of the national vote to continue the status quo.
What wins (anywhere, probably in a left or right flavour) is an extreme repudiation of the status quo.
The TPUSA conference is full of establishment types in complete denial.
I don't personally like the religious tone of the new New Right. Sounds like the old right to me - the right of Ralph Reed, except with less emphasis on capitalism. JD himself is opening himself up to criticism and unpopularity...his wife is Hindoo. So is Vivek. There are plenty of Jews in the New Right.
If you're Christian and believe that Jesus is the Son of God, and everyone else needs to come to Jesus, it's very easy for that to morph into hating on Hindus (as is happening) and be anti-Semitic (also happening). More overt Christians are calling Hindus pagans. Of course we got the Christ-killer thing. JD Vance almost certainly reads this stuff? Where does it lead to?
Vance probably hopes that kind, welcoming Christians is the way. Live by example and proselytize that way. I'm afraid that has been tried, and we are seeing the results as giant statues of Hanuman are being erected, and mosques popping up like vape shops.
Centering your message around Christianity is always the best way to go, as long as it doesn't let bad faith actors into the mix to play to the perceived "Judge Not" principle that non-Christians like to throw out there. Need to stand against mass immigration, lax abortion laws, and support for Israel. Creating a American Christian coalition needs to make the group and nation stronger, not opening it up crap policies for the sake of "being nice".
This religious identity is counterproductive, like you said. It includes many different races. A racial identity would be more appropriate. Not to mention, Christianity is gradually fading around the world.
I'm descended from heritage americans which i just refer as the founding stock or conquerors. Than throw in the admixture of Irish refugee losers and southern European economic migrants to create a mess. I have more love for my anglo Saxon conquerors because they formed the nation that rules the continent whereas the others are merely hangers on who came for purely economic reasons.
Blacks resist assimilation to the point where they think of themselves as a separate nation. Seems to be changing as black men go with other women in high numbers which seems to piss off black females.
The most important point is what is a American? Do we have a common purpose or are we separate tribes jockeying for spoils? Unless we assimilate to the founding stock and with each other, common purpose will not happen. First step is still to shut off legal migration like the first half of the 20th century and rid our land of illegals. After that, we can talk more.
What ever is less important than family but more important than country is a tribe. What's the big deal?
Good piece. In a way both sides are becoming more ideological and moral, with the left becoming more economically Marxist and the right becoming more Christian. That said there is no “trajectory” for the right because the right doesn’t have a plan at all, let alone the ability to act on one, they only have flavors of reaction
They can't have a plan, because the nature of conservatism (the western variety, anyway) is not to plan - it's for things to develop organically based on environment and lifeways. A conservative is there to keep the kids and the crazies from upsetting the natural order. They love father figures and Christ is the ultimate father figure. Unfortunately, Christ is many things to many people, and that is not good enough for a ruling consensus.
Interesting point actually. Does go to the true meaning of “conservation”
Yes, Smack right on. People are blissfully unaware that Christianity has nothing to do with the teachings of Jesus. It was a substitution and an adaptation by Paul to the Roman Empire, which then allowed the Emperor Constantine to create a Disney version at the Council of Nicea. People are also blissfully unaware that at least one of the founders of the USA, Thomas Jefferson, was highly aware of the chasm between Jesus and Paul, and developed his own distillation of the teachings of Jesus, the so-called Jefferson Bible, in an attempt to lift the teachings of Jesus out of the deadly embrace of Christianity. Since the gradual rediscovery of many texts and traditions that were exorcised from Christianity, most notably the Gospel of Thomas, it is now plain to all that studying and following Jesus are different from being a Christian. Jefferson could not stand the Church, and while I do not always agree with his selection, it is very interesting that he developed that little book, which was a clear statement that he disagreed with the church reading of Jesus, through the editorial lense of Paul and the Nicene creed. In the end, I am a bit sceptical of Jefferson´s reading, but at least he made the effort. He could not stand sitting in church, because he disagreed with their reading so completely.
Okay buddy