Thanks for the quick primer on 'right-wing' influencers to avoid like Ebola. I may have giggled a bit about the Obama and Biden regimes' foreign policy faceplants back in the day, but only in the context that these failures validated the need for new leadership, and never in situations where American lives were at stake. Jane Fonda is the third worst thing this country has ever produced, behind Hick-Hop and aspartame; the word gets too lightly thrown around these days, but she and the alt-righters carrying on her act are treasonous by definition and need to face consequences.
One thing to consider is that social media isn’t real life. And the more retarded takes the Online Right pursues, the more they risk alienating themselves and eroding whatever influence they do have. Candace Owens and increasingly Tucker Carlson are good examples of this.
Agreed, these people are purity spiraling themselves into a dark corner of the internet where they become permanently irrelevant. It will be a necessary process I am sad to say.
I can't see Tucker or Candice going anywhere. Respectability politics is dead and took sanity politics down with it. You can throw around murder accusations based on dreams and visions and talk about demons and only grow more popular and powerful.
You really can't drop this turd in the punch bowl without elaborating. What part of the thesis of "we can disagree with our government without becoming flag burners or bomb throwers" do you dispute?
Speaking for myself, I was never a flag-waver and I preferred the people's wellbeing over some abstract love for "America". If the people are flourishing, then all's good with America. I don't do the thing where you "salute the rank not the person"...I do not salute a flag that stands for warmongering and globohomo. I still don't. I remember those 10 years (roughly 2014 to roughly 2024) where it seemed we were headed to a terrible Maoist future. I won't salute the flag or celebrate "our men and women in uniform" as long as there's still large swaths of my government wanting nonstop foreign wars while barbarians pour in to our country.
I appreciate Trump and how America - the lone Western country - voted for a revolutionary candidate (3 times) against what was called neoliberalism and the ZOG and the GAE, and I agree that our fortunes are tied up with Trump and he's probably the closest we'll ever get to a Pepe in the White House. We should be grateful. If Trump's vision wins out, I will be proud to be an American. But for the moment, I am not, but I'm also not supporting Iran or China or the Palestinians either. I am a white man in North America who only salutes the people keeping our complex society running instead of stealing from it.
I don't know about psychically shattered. The Right had these elements before 10/7. There's just more of an audience for this stuff now. If you're an influencer, it's better to be anti-Trump than pro. There's also more foreign elements within the online right sphere, so being anti-American will also find a bigger audience than it would have in the past.
You could also look at it the opposite way. These Online Right extremists (whom you spend half your time deriding) could actually be a harbinger of the future. I don't agree that they can be easily dismissed. They don't believe in a traditional nation-state such as what you or many of us conventionally believe in, but they're more about stateless tribes pursuing tribal interests, and maybe that's the future.
They don't even have a coherent view. These are loners typing away at a computer. They're not forming stateless tribes and are too individualistic and disagreeable to pursue any kind of group interests. Just look at the record of how alt right groups worked.
Fawning over non-white governments isn't a sign of high white in-group preference, nor is acceptance of non-whites within their ranks.
It's probably true you will see more of this stuff in the future on the internet, but it will have no impact in real life.
I'm not sure. I can't stand Mike Enoch but TRS seems to be having a little renaissance on here. And unfortunately the pro-MAGA extreme right (CaptiveDreamer, Patrick Casey) is quite discredited by this war. They were predicting no war and mocking groypers for expecting one, then insisting that there would be no American casualties, then insisting that there would be no boots on the ground just as the administration started discussing that too. I agree with their position that there is no alternative to Trump and that we have to hope for the best, but things have turned out as usual and now their credibility is shot.
I wouldn't dismiss loners behind keyboards. That was even more true in 2015 and their ideology had a far bigger impact on everything since than the Tea Party stuff that was energetically supported by tens of millions of Americans, a great portion of Republican voters and hosted massive meatspace events and rallies.
The massive "meatspace events and rallies" was just Cville, and that was a disaster. Alt Right thought it was the base and it turned out it was far from it. Loners with keyboards can have an impact, but I doubt they will put into practice the tribalism they imagine online. I've been around long enough to have seen these things fail time and time again in the real world.
People can do these things on a very small-scale (max 100 people) but it will never get larger than that or powerful
It’s funny you mention Fonda. These morons are all about “psyops” and “gayops” as if they see everything clearly and are immune. I wonder if they ever stop to think whether or not they’re the cultural/intellectual descendants of the New Left (brought to you by the CIA no less).
They love to bang on about how the MAGAchuds are these easily manipulated morons & slaves to the ZOG empire, but anti-American Third Worldism of the Western variety literally comes from the same source. At least the chuds hearts are in the right place.
And I mean just look at the examples you provided:
- A homeless heroin addict that dresses up like Bret Michaels.
- A fat podcaster that took funds from his fake political party to fund a back surgery (why does his back hurt? Is podcasting that labor intensive?).
- An alcoholic Central American with a pompadour that looks like a henchman from a low-budget action movie.
- A punchy fighter that got redpilled yesterday and now apparently knows everything like every other retard that got redpilled yesterday.
- A mystery meat Muslim streamer.
Personally, I’m glad those people are there. They corral most of the morons away from the rest of us. (Except for Twitter replies of course.)
As time goes on the internet becomes less and less valuable to us thanks to these people. The movement is going to have to increasingly migrate into the real world. Thank God for TP USA, we’d be in a very bad place without them.
I think Scott is wrong when he attempts to create a throughline. The third world anti american simpling was nothing like the hysteria we now see in the new groyper online right. It's a failure to compare like with like.
In your American Conservative article that you link to, you write the following:
“The online world offers the ability to learn information you would never otherwise absorb and connect with people with whom you would never otherwise connect. It’s a gift, and it particularly benefits the right. Without it, right-wing thought would still be suppressed by the traditional media apparatus.”
In light of that observation, what do you think of Hanania’s claim that the mainstream media is “honest and good”? In other words, how do you think right-wing internet news/information sources (excluding “Insane Clown World” obviously) compare to the MSM?
Thanks for the quick primer on 'right-wing' influencers to avoid like Ebola. I may have giggled a bit about the Obama and Biden regimes' foreign policy faceplants back in the day, but only in the context that these failures validated the need for new leadership, and never in situations where American lives were at stake. Jane Fonda is the third worst thing this country has ever produced, behind Hick-Hop and aspartame; the word gets too lightly thrown around these days, but she and the alt-righters carrying on her act are treasonous by definition and need to face consequences.
One thing to consider is that social media isn’t real life. And the more retarded takes the Online Right pursues, the more they risk alienating themselves and eroding whatever influence they do have. Candace Owens and increasingly Tucker Carlson are good examples of this.
Agreed, these people are purity spiraling themselves into a dark corner of the internet where they become permanently irrelevant. It will be a necessary process I am sad to say.
I can't see Tucker or Candice going anywhere. Respectability politics is dead and took sanity politics down with it. You can throw around murder accusations based on dreams and visions and talk about demons and only grow more popular and powerful.
Thanks for the advice, Ben Shapiro!
if you're being funded to tip this swill it's bad. It's even worse if you're not. Not even BAP is going this far...yet.
You really can't drop this turd in the punch bowl without elaborating. What part of the thesis of "we can disagree with our government without becoming flag burners or bomb throwers" do you dispute?
I read this during the BushCon years I think.
The article makes an anti-interventionist case, so this isn't Bushism.
Retarded boomer take.
Speaking for myself, I was never a flag-waver and I preferred the people's wellbeing over some abstract love for "America". If the people are flourishing, then all's good with America. I don't do the thing where you "salute the rank not the person"...I do not salute a flag that stands for warmongering and globohomo. I still don't. I remember those 10 years (roughly 2014 to roughly 2024) where it seemed we were headed to a terrible Maoist future. I won't salute the flag or celebrate "our men and women in uniform" as long as there's still large swaths of my government wanting nonstop foreign wars while barbarians pour in to our country.
I appreciate Trump and how America - the lone Western country - voted for a revolutionary candidate (3 times) against what was called neoliberalism and the ZOG and the GAE, and I agree that our fortunes are tied up with Trump and he's probably the closest we'll ever get to a Pepe in the White House. We should be grateful. If Trump's vision wins out, I will be proud to be an American. But for the moment, I am not, but I'm also not supporting Iran or China or the Palestinians either. I am a white man in North America who only salutes the people keeping our complex society running instead of stealing from it.
Scott in your opinion has the right or the left been the most psychically shattered by October 7th?
I don't know about psychically shattered. The Right had these elements before 10/7. There's just more of an audience for this stuff now. If you're an influencer, it's better to be anti-Trump than pro. There's also more foreign elements within the online right sphere, so being anti-American will also find a bigger audience than it would have in the past.
Yes.
Jane Fonda bashing is always welcome.
Well written, solid overview. I’ve been flying the Original Stars and Stripes (Betsy Ross) flag), lately. Makes me feel good.
Why don’t you join the military?
You need a job, don’t you?
You could also look at it the opposite way. These Online Right extremists (whom you spend half your time deriding) could actually be a harbinger of the future. I don't agree that they can be easily dismissed. They don't believe in a traditional nation-state such as what you or many of us conventionally believe in, but they're more about stateless tribes pursuing tribal interests, and maybe that's the future.
They don't even have a coherent view. These are loners typing away at a computer. They're not forming stateless tribes and are too individualistic and disagreeable to pursue any kind of group interests. Just look at the record of how alt right groups worked.
Fawning over non-white governments isn't a sign of high white in-group preference, nor is acceptance of non-whites within their ranks.
It's probably true you will see more of this stuff in the future on the internet, but it will have no impact in real life.
I'm not sure. I can't stand Mike Enoch but TRS seems to be having a little renaissance on here. And unfortunately the pro-MAGA extreme right (CaptiveDreamer, Patrick Casey) is quite discredited by this war. They were predicting no war and mocking groypers for expecting one, then insisting that there would be no American casualties, then insisting that there would be no boots on the ground just as the administration started discussing that too. I agree with their position that there is no alternative to Trump and that we have to hope for the best, but things have turned out as usual and now their credibility is shot.
I wouldn't dismiss loners behind keyboards. That was even more true in 2015 and their ideology had a far bigger impact on everything since than the Tea Party stuff that was energetically supported by tens of millions of Americans, a great portion of Republican voters and hosted massive meatspace events and rallies.
The massive "meatspace events and rallies" was just Cville, and that was a disaster. Alt Right thought it was the base and it turned out it was far from it. Loners with keyboards can have an impact, but I doubt they will put into practice the tribalism they imagine online. I've been around long enough to have seen these things fail time and time again in the real world.
People can do these things on a very small-scale (max 100 people) but it will never get larger than that or powerful
What is your view of Tucker Carlson or Candace Owens? Do they have a future influence with candidates or are they in the outside looking in?
It’s funny you mention Fonda. These morons are all about “psyops” and “gayops” as if they see everything clearly and are immune. I wonder if they ever stop to think whether or not they’re the cultural/intellectual descendants of the New Left (brought to you by the CIA no less).
They love to bang on about how the MAGAchuds are these easily manipulated morons & slaves to the ZOG empire, but anti-American Third Worldism of the Western variety literally comes from the same source. At least the chuds hearts are in the right place.
And I mean just look at the examples you provided:
- A homeless heroin addict that dresses up like Bret Michaels.
- A fat podcaster that took funds from his fake political party to fund a back surgery (why does his back hurt? Is podcasting that labor intensive?).
- An alcoholic Central American with a pompadour that looks like a henchman from a low-budget action movie.
- A punchy fighter that got redpilled yesterday and now apparently knows everything like every other retard that got redpilled yesterday.
- A mystery meat Muslim streamer.
Personally, I’m glad those people are there. They corral most of the morons away from the rest of us. (Except for Twitter replies of course.)
As time goes on the internet becomes less and less valuable to us thanks to these people. The movement is going to have to increasingly migrate into the real world. Thank God for TP USA, we’d be in a very bad place without them.
When he decides to put "boots on the ground," we'll see how supportive you are. "I retract that. You'll love him even more. Sheesh.
I think Scott is wrong when he attempts to create a throughline. The third world anti american simpling was nothing like the hysteria we now see in the new groyper online right. It's a failure to compare like with like.
In your American Conservative article that you link to, you write the following:
“The online world offers the ability to learn information you would never otherwise absorb and connect with people with whom you would never otherwise connect. It’s a gift, and it particularly benefits the right. Without it, right-wing thought would still be suppressed by the traditional media apparatus.”
In light of that observation, what do you think of Hanania’s claim that the mainstream media is “honest and good”? In other words, how do you think right-wing internet news/information sources (excluding “Insane Clown World” obviously) compare to the MSM?