This particular vibe shift is partially a consequence of RW discourse breaking out of containment; these “people” discovered online discourse within the last two years and mindlessly allude to Israel/Epstein/Big Tech to signal their perceived esoteric enlightenment to other overly impressionable retards
I agree populist sentiment has shifted toward anti-authority causes, particularly anti-tech. This is bad and benefits the left, as you note. Good piece.
The anti-authority libertarian populism causes have come to the forefront partially because crime and immigration are lower now than earlier in the decade, partially because people are anxious about AI/big tech replacing their jobs, and partially because people are extremely angry about a Middle East war causing gas prices to rise when the current admin was elected on the promise of lowering the high prices of the Biden years (the rate of inflation has decreased but the prices for groceries have remained same as 2022-2024 levels).
Things have changed so much since 2023 and 2024 on flock cameras. I got a room of half shit lib Democrats (people who wear the shirt that says “y’all means all” with a rainbow blm flag) and half boomer conservatives to agree on flock cameras at a HOA meeting. It was overwhelming support from both sides. There was zero opposition back in 2023 and 2024.
Yes, no one could feel tricked or angry at Trump who promised peace, low prices and cheap gasoline and doing literally the opposite in all three cases! No one who wants to secure the border could be upset at checkpoints filled masked gunmen!
Trump lied about what he would do, the program he lied about is still popular is my ultimate point here.
I think chasing after day laborers, arresting people at immigration hearings, and waving guns in US citizen’s faces would upset people no matter what yes.
Did you see this level of hysteria when Obama deported far more people? Would you even concede to that?
I mean in terms of from the right like they do this thing where if you point out Trump's numerous problems they just say SO YOU WANT OPEN BORDERS THEN. When does it end ?
If JD Vance supported legalizing child porn for example in 2028 would he really be worse then the democrat ?
Yeah because it's a rock solid argument style when someone says 'Trump's problems matter way less than stopping a massive influx of people driving down wages and exploding the costs of housing and healthcare' to then say 'what about child porn'. You're a regular Socrates, asshat.
Immigrants commit fewer crimes than native born, should we bomb maternity wards?
That justifies ICE officers murdering people and the government lying about it? What level of propaganda are you on? Have you fantasized about my death?
These people lose their shit the second there is one RW billionaire like Thiel funding initiatives to prevent crime but say nothing about LW billionaires funding DAs that allow the crime to happen. There wouldn’t even be a thought to have flock cameras or anything like that if we just prosecuted crime and deported the 3rd world.
The distrust over Big Tech makes sense after Google,Amazon andother big companies were instruments of censorship and the Woke hysteria for years
That they pretent to get along with Trump sometimes ,doesn't mean republican voters will easily forget,specially if they are white men who were looking for a job
This makes it tricky to support the Flock cameras AI tech and data centers in the short term,even if they could benefit ,i wouldn't trust them entirely tbh 🤭
well if it was up to me i would take the risk for the country but many people on the right are understandably suspicious, or go along with podcasters .that Trump supports these things is not enough since he is the president so all the blame goes to him,good or bad
Its just difficult to regain trust after all, higher ups in these companies dislike conservatives, podcasters and politicians like Josh Hawley have been talking against big tech for years ,its what influencers are interested at the moment ,
but i suppose that could change over the years , become a healthier environment,just will be difficult to convince voters Trump warning they will be poor or that china will beat the US is not enough
This is essentially what I have been saying: that a lot of people have grown mad at the Trump administration, or at least apathetic compared to 2024, on account of two things. First, I had the unpopular opinion that the now-vaunted 2024 coalition was always too broad, and Trump just promised too many things to too many people.
On top of that, a lot of Trump's flaws such as his, let's be honest, blatant corruption and his mocking and scolding of people who question him were always bound to make people take their ball home. Even if they don't vote Democrat, they won't vote GOP especially in midterms, which the GOP always struggled with without Trump on the ballot. And the Democrat base is motivated now, when they weren't in 2024 because of Gaza.
You were not at the forefront of saying any of these things. What ended the vibe shift is the deportations, which our whole side pretends upset people for not removing 100 million immediately. Trump's other problems, such as the Iran War, have only worsened the problem. His mockery of people hasn't played much of a role though
No, what ended the vibe shift was giving in to the pressure. If Trump did what he promised to do, ignored the yapping (no response rhetorical strategy), there would be much less outcry by the end. Most people only care when they perceive that caring matters. And Trump gave in and made that perception true.
Regardless, these are all half measures he has done. Now Democrats will reverse little thing that have been accomplished by inviting another 10 million illegals during another Bidenite term.
People were not that upset at the deportations at least, people who broke for him in 2024.
I admit I was a bit vague with the mockery point. It isn't just that; it's also his tone like if you're struggling, it's your fault, and his repeated insistence that the economy is great.
So many on the right insist that Biden and Kamala's "gaslighting" on the economy lost them 2024. But I would argue this is worse, because at least Kamala and Biden entertained the idea that there were problems at all and tried to say they were doing something about it.
What I mean by the corruption in conjunction with this: it rubs people the wrong way that Trump has roughly tripled his net worth in two years and then mocks and lies to struggling Americans. If you say that corruption doesn't matter, I have to ask why the online right cared so much about Hunter Biden's corruption making what, 100k at Burisma ?
The brocasters turned on Trump over the ICE raids in the spring of 2025. The raids have drawn the most vigorous protests from the public than anything else. The Iran War is very unpopular, but no one is marching against it. Compare that to the riots in Minneapolis and LA.
No one would care about riots if Trump did his job of framing them correctly (“we always have small minority of dangerous extremists”, etc) and just ignored the media bs completely. And yes, same leftists that marched against ICE also marched against Iran War. Now I wonder why Trump would become lenient on illegals (specifically, farm workers) but unyielding when it comes to Iran War.
Deportation was always going to be unpopular but it's necessary.
The only real way to stop immigration is for immigrants to be legitimately afraid that "getting here" isn't enough and they could be deported at any moment, so why bother trying.
Sometimes what's popular and what's right line up, but sometimes it doesn't. You have to spend political capital on things you just think are right for the country.
If we only did what the median voter says he wants in polls we'd have a 20% of GDP budget deficit every year and policy would veer wildly on any number of issues every few cycles.
Trump's real problem is that he cut Medicaid/ACA so he could cut the top marginal rate and his tariff plan had no obvious benefits for Americans but could easily lead to him being blamed for inflation. These are a lot more important to swing voters than illegals being arrested for breaking the law.
Trump also didn't follow through on Iran nor did JD Vance follow through on a bigger child tax credit.
No, they didn't. Kamala's idea of doing something at the border was telling people 'please don't come'. Trump has basically solved the problem, and after the worst economy since god knows when (with a growth in real jobs, investment, small bump in wages) and all these people can do is 'but muh gas prices'. Many of the same people, incidentally, who said, when they went up from Biden's Ukraine debacle, to sack up and be a patriot. Fuck the selective outrage.
Completely agree. There was already a popular JQ awakening in the online sphere, as a result of Gaza; the Iran war pushed it into the mainstream. Now everybody's "questioning" and the Dems are trying their best to make the issue abstractly "Israel" as opposed to the people who have historically inhabited Israel - Dems are against blood and soil obvs.
Trump let his inner Boomercon come out and now his party will lose the midterms and much of his rightwing support. All because of Iran.
Honestly, if you want to talk about something that turns off average people, the online right's obsession with jews would be right up there. If libertarianism is coming back, people are not going to be up for the anti semitic theocratic war on degeneracy, while you reprimand people, telling them that the jews tricked them into liking everything they like.
Yeah, too many people have been brought up with the WW2 propaganda, plus as the demographics change, the Jews won't have such a status anymore. They'll return to being a curious people who tend to monopolize certain industries, but that's that. The "mystique" will be gone. The Jews antisemites love to hate (the Ashkenazim) will be a non-factor as the Ashkenazim are all dog parents and homosexuals now, just like liberal whites. They do not breed. Other Jews do breed, but they don't care for world domination like the Ashkenazim. In time, ranting about Jews will be like the one guy who rants about the Freemasons.
Iran is the death rattle for certain demographics that are fading away.
Yes, the Iran war was the straw that broke the camels back for many people I know. Trumps debt handling, adding 4 trillion already, cutting taxes while fighting an expensive war. Tariffs. Making gas and food, and fertilizer all more expensive. Many straws that broke the camels back.
As President Donald Trump’s war with Iran crosses the six-month mark without an end in sight, a new analysis calculates that it has cost the average American household at least $1,200 more than they would have paid if it had never started.
What the fuck is this anyway? NAFTA was good for poor people? We don't make anything here and your wages are peanuts but make sure Trump keeps his grubby paws off our free chinese shit?
Bro. I got perm banned from twitter years ago. Instead of wasting my time with that shit I literally speak to the majority of americans in the time you waste combing your hair and ironing your shirts
Scott, you want evidence for the vibe shift? The Odyssey has made like a billion dollars. Everyone on Twitter hated it, seeing it as at best cringe Hollywood slop, and some seeing it as anti-White trans propaganda.
That's a different matter that's more uncomfortable for the Online Right. The Trump admin didn't care about the Odyssey but the Online Right fixated on it.
Along with Fishback's poor performance, Massie's loss, and Vivek's possible win, The Odyssey's performance would demonstrate X has much less influence over American life than people think.
I would argue that is worse because people on X are more ideologically right-wing and will show deference on the kitchen table issues that, as you yourself have admitted, Trump isn't doing well on.
So tell me: if Trump doesn't have the economy to appeal to normies, and culture war issues he has done good on don't matter in real elections what does he have?
This is a question for the entire administration, because if all he has is rural old people they would vote red no matter what. Why did we need Trump specifically for that?
There were always a lot of NIMBY boomer types who weren't just anti-Trump conservatives but straight up Karens. When you say kitchen table, what you mean is goldfish memory issues. Pretending that Trump solving the border problem either doesn't matter or actually hasn't happened is fine, but when he's gone and that's ignored, people will feel it. People can whine about Iran and tariffs all they want, but when the jobs, domestic investment and modest wage bumps are gone, people will feel that. 'Oh, wait! You can trust me! I'm not Trump so I'll make you rich' will work for about 5 minutes and then people will move on again. Owning Trump will be a hollow victory and those who are opposed to him have no plan at all.
One movie while so many movies are still hemorrhaging cash. If Trump grasped on to one hollow victory like that, you'd see it as a sign of desperation, not that he had the situation well in hand.
This particular vibe shift is partially a consequence of RW discourse breaking out of containment; these “people” discovered online discourse within the last two years and mindlessly allude to Israel/Epstein/Big Tech to signal their perceived esoteric enlightenment to other overly impressionable retards
Also a consequence of Trump being a blatant shill for Israel and big tech.
*mindlessly alludes to Israel/Epstein/Big Tech to signal his perceived esoteric enlightenment to other overly impressionable retards*
I agree populist sentiment has shifted toward anti-authority causes, particularly anti-tech. This is bad and benefits the left, as you note. Good piece.
Mid 2020 to late 2023 was the highest spike in homicide rate and violent crime since the 1990s.
CBP encounters were 2.38 million in 2022, 2.47 million in 2023, and 2.1 million in 2024 at the southern border.
Pew 2024 election voter analysis: "Among Trump supporters, the economy (93%), immigration (82%) and violent crime (76%) are the leading issues."
https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2024/09/09/issues-and-the-2024-election/?utm_source=chatgpt.com
The anti-authority libertarian populism causes have come to the forefront partially because crime and immigration are lower now than earlier in the decade, partially because people are anxious about AI/big tech replacing their jobs, and partially because people are extremely angry about a Middle East war causing gas prices to rise when the current admin was elected on the promise of lowering the high prices of the Biden years (the rate of inflation has decreased but the prices for groceries have remained same as 2022-2024 levels).
Things have changed so much since 2023 and 2024 on flock cameras. I got a room of half shit lib Democrats (people who wear the shirt that says “y’all means all” with a rainbow blm flag) and half boomer conservatives to agree on flock cameras at a HOA meeting. It was overwhelming support from both sides. There was zero opposition back in 2023 and 2024.
Yes, no one could feel tricked or angry at Trump who promised peace, low prices and cheap gasoline and doing literally the opposite in all three cases! No one who wants to secure the border could be upset at checkpoints filled masked gunmen!
Trump lied about what he would do, the program he lied about is still popular is my ultimate point here.
The emotional blackmail around immigration is something.
You are agreeing with a guy who thinks Trump should've done NO deportations
If you read the second graph of the post, you’d know that I didn’t! “Deport the criminals” isn’t what’s happening!
And if only the criminals jacked up the price of housing/healthcare, that might mean something. Since you mentioned gas, cost of living blah blah.
I don’t think anyone except the most histrionic anticipated the indiscriminate brutality of the ICE operations.
You have to be insanely delusional to think deportations could be carried out with no one getting upset.
I think chasing after day laborers, arresting people at immigration hearings, and waving guns in US citizen’s faces would upset people no matter what yes.
Did you see this level of hysteria when Obama deported far more people? Would you even concede to that?
I mean in terms of from the right like they do this thing where if you point out Trump's numerous problems they just say SO YOU WANT OPEN BORDERS THEN. When does it end ?
If JD Vance supported legalizing child porn for example in 2028 would he really be worse then the democrat ?
Yeah because it's a rock solid argument style when someone says 'Trump's problems matter way less than stopping a massive influx of people driving down wages and exploding the costs of housing and healthcare' to then say 'what about child porn'. You're a regular Socrates, asshat.
Fuck your crocodile tears given the atrocious stories of people brutally murdered by illegals. Take your selective outrage and shove it up your ass.
Immigrants commit fewer crimes than native born, should we bomb maternity wards?
That justifies ICE officers murdering people and the government lying about it? What level of propaganda are you on? Have you fantasized about my death?
“Most of us” polls, the streets. and special election results show otherwise
These people lose their shit the second there is one RW billionaire like Thiel funding initiatives to prevent crime but say nothing about LW billionaires funding DAs that allow the crime to happen. There wouldn’t even be a thought to have flock cameras or anything like that if we just prosecuted crime and deported the 3rd world.
I can't find the word "Jew" in your article.
The distrust over Big Tech makes sense after Google,Amazon andother big companies were instruments of censorship and the Woke hysteria for years
That they pretent to get along with Trump sometimes ,doesn't mean republican voters will easily forget,specially if they are white men who were looking for a job
This makes it tricky to support the Flock cameras AI tech and data centers in the short term,even if they could benefit ,i wouldn't trust them entirely tbh 🤭
well if it was up to me i would take the risk for the country but many people on the right are understandably suspicious, or go along with podcasters .that Trump supports these things is not enough since he is the president so all the blame goes to him,good or bad
Its just difficult to regain trust after all, higher ups in these companies dislike conservatives, podcasters and politicians like Josh Hawley have been talking against big tech for years ,its what influencers are interested at the moment ,
but i suppose that could change over the years , become a healthier environment,just will be difficult to convince voters Trump warning they will be poor or that china will beat the US is not enough
This is essentially what I have been saying: that a lot of people have grown mad at the Trump administration, or at least apathetic compared to 2024, on account of two things. First, I had the unpopular opinion that the now-vaunted 2024 coalition was always too broad, and Trump just promised too many things to too many people.
On top of that, a lot of Trump's flaws such as his, let's be honest, blatant corruption and his mocking and scolding of people who question him were always bound to make people take their ball home. Even if they don't vote Democrat, they won't vote GOP especially in midterms, which the GOP always struggled with without Trump on the ballot. And the Democrat base is motivated now, when they weren't in 2024 because of Gaza.
Add to this Trump's bad handling of the economy.
You were not at the forefront of saying any of these things. What ended the vibe shift is the deportations, which our whole side pretends upset people for not removing 100 million immediately. Trump's other problems, such as the Iran War, have only worsened the problem. His mockery of people hasn't played much of a role though
No, what ended the vibe shift was giving in to the pressure. If Trump did what he promised to do, ignored the yapping (no response rhetorical strategy), there would be much less outcry by the end. Most people only care when they perceive that caring matters. And Trump gave in and made that perception true.
Regardless, these are all half measures he has done. Now Democrats will reverse little thing that have been accomplished by inviting another 10 million illegals during another Bidenite term.
People were not that upset at the deportations at least, people who broke for him in 2024.
I admit I was a bit vague with the mockery point. It isn't just that; it's also his tone like if you're struggling, it's your fault, and his repeated insistence that the economy is great.
So many on the right insist that Biden and Kamala's "gaslighting" on the economy lost them 2024. But I would argue this is worse, because at least Kamala and Biden entertained the idea that there were problems at all and tried to say they were doing something about it.
What I mean by the corruption in conjunction with this: it rubs people the wrong way that Trump has roughly tripled his net worth in two years and then mocks and lies to struggling Americans. If you say that corruption doesn't matter, I have to ask why the online right cared so much about Hunter Biden's corruption making what, 100k at Burisma ?
The brocasters turned on Trump over the ICE raids in the spring of 2025. The raids have drawn the most vigorous protests from the public than anything else. The Iran War is very unpopular, but no one is marching against it. Compare that to the riots in Minneapolis and LA.
No one would care about riots if Trump did his job of framing them correctly (“we always have small minority of dangerous extremists”, etc) and just ignored the media bs completely. And yes, same leftists that marched against ICE also marched against Iran War. Now I wonder why Trump would become lenient on illegals (specifically, farm workers) but unyielding when it comes to Iran War.
Deportation was always going to be unpopular but it's necessary.
The only real way to stop immigration is for immigrants to be legitimately afraid that "getting here" isn't enough and they could be deported at any moment, so why bother trying.
Sometimes what's popular and what's right line up, but sometimes it doesn't. You have to spend political capital on things you just think are right for the country.
If we only did what the median voter says he wants in polls we'd have a 20% of GDP budget deficit every year and policy would veer wildly on any number of issues every few cycles.
Trump's real problem is that he cut Medicaid/ACA so he could cut the top marginal rate and his tariff plan had no obvious benefits for Americans but could easily lead to him being blamed for inflation. These are a lot more important to swing voters than illegals being arrested for breaking the law.
Trump also didn't follow through on Iran nor did JD Vance follow through on a bigger child tax credit.
If you look at polling immigration is seen as one of his best issues.
No, they didn't. Kamala's idea of doing something at the border was telling people 'please don't come'. Trump has basically solved the problem, and after the worst economy since god knows when (with a growth in real jobs, investment, small bump in wages) and all these people can do is 'but muh gas prices'. Many of the same people, incidentally, who said, when they went up from Biden's Ukraine debacle, to sack up and be a patriot. Fuck the selective outrage.
Its the Iran war. Nobody cares about any of this other shit. That massive dipshit die for israel blunder sunk him.
Completely agree. There was already a popular JQ awakening in the online sphere, as a result of Gaza; the Iran war pushed it into the mainstream. Now everybody's "questioning" and the Dems are trying their best to make the issue abstractly "Israel" as opposed to the people who have historically inhabited Israel - Dems are against blood and soil obvs.
Trump let his inner Boomercon come out and now his party will lose the midterms and much of his rightwing support. All because of Iran.
Honestly, if you want to talk about something that turns off average people, the online right's obsession with jews would be right up there. If libertarianism is coming back, people are not going to be up for the anti semitic theocratic war on degeneracy, while you reprimand people, telling them that the jews tricked them into liking everything they like.
Yeah, too many people have been brought up with the WW2 propaganda, plus as the demographics change, the Jews won't have such a status anymore. They'll return to being a curious people who tend to monopolize certain industries, but that's that. The "mystique" will be gone. The Jews antisemites love to hate (the Ashkenazim) will be a non-factor as the Ashkenazim are all dog parents and homosexuals now, just like liberal whites. They do not breed. Other Jews do breed, but they don't care for world domination like the Ashkenazim. In time, ranting about Jews will be like the one guy who rants about the Freemasons.
Iran is the death rattle for certain demographics that are fading away.
Yes, the Iran war was the straw that broke the camels back for many people I know. Trumps debt handling, adding 4 trillion already, cutting taxes while fighting an expensive war. Tariffs. Making gas and food, and fertilizer all more expensive. Many straws that broke the camels back.
As President Donald Trump’s war with Iran crosses the six-month mark without an end in sight, a new analysis calculates that it has cost the average American household at least $1,200 more than they would have paid if it had never started.
not to mention the cost his tariffs were estimated to raise cost for people.
What the fuck is this anyway? NAFTA was good for poor people? We don't make anything here and your wages are peanuts but make sure Trump keeps his grubby paws off our free chinese shit?
Similar thing happening in France
Imagine being this much of a regime-shill traitor. How much did they offer you for your soul, Scott?
People want the trump of 2015
If you think RW twitter represents the majority of Americans, you could believe that. But it does not.
Bro. I got perm banned from twitter years ago. Instead of wasting my time with that shit I literally speak to the majority of americans in the time you waste combing your hair and ironing your shirts
Bro, nobody cares. You're a loser and Elon Musk has more money than God. Have fun.
And yet you care enough to comment. What a hoot 🤣
Scott, you want evidence for the vibe shift? The Odyssey has made like a billion dollars. Everyone on Twitter hated it, seeing it as at best cringe Hollywood slop, and some seeing it as anti-White trans propaganda.
That's a different matter that's more uncomfortable for the Online Right. The Trump admin didn't care about the Odyssey but the Online Right fixated on it.
Along with Fishback's poor performance, Massie's loss, and Vivek's possible win, The Odyssey's performance would demonstrate X has much less influence over American life than people think.
I would argue that is worse because people on X are more ideologically right-wing and will show deference on the kitchen table issues that, as you yourself have admitted, Trump isn't doing well on.
So tell me: if Trump doesn't have the economy to appeal to normies, and culture war issues he has done good on don't matter in real elections what does he have?
This is a question for the entire administration, because if all he has is rural old people they would vote red no matter what. Why did we need Trump specifically for that?
There were always a lot of NIMBY boomer types who weren't just anti-Trump conservatives but straight up Karens. When you say kitchen table, what you mean is goldfish memory issues. Pretending that Trump solving the border problem either doesn't matter or actually hasn't happened is fine, but when he's gone and that's ignored, people will feel it. People can whine about Iran and tariffs all they want, but when the jobs, domestic investment and modest wage bumps are gone, people will feel that. 'Oh, wait! You can trust me! I'm not Trump so I'll make you rich' will work for about 5 minutes and then people will move on again. Owning Trump will be a hollow victory and those who are opposed to him have no plan at all.
One movie while so many movies are still hemorrhaging cash. If Trump grasped on to one hollow victory like that, you'd see it as a sign of desperation, not that he had the situation well in hand.