It seems like many on the left are getting increasingly brazen as they dodge responsibility for both failed and successful assassination attempts on our leading figures. Jon Stewart even implied admin officials acted cowardly after the latest attempt.
Please stop using the word "informant" to describe what the SPLC was doing. That's the left's word, and it undermines our narrative that they were boosting racism to have an imaginary dragon to slay. Besides, it's probably inaccurate, nobody pays someone a quarter of a million to slip them some emails and group chat history.
Obviously, I think Candace Owens is wrong, and I don’t like her. However, “the base” and “MAGA” need to take some accountability for creating the environment that enabled her by not pushing back on the conspiratorial thinking that has underpinned much of MAGA.
How much blatantly wrong conspiratorial rhetoric have we let Donald Trump get away with? The 2020 election claims? The claim that Iran was planning to nuke us,even though America’s own intelligence agencies have said that was incorrect? The claim that wind power is a scam by China and that they don’t use it themselves (they do)? Everything related to QAnon and Pizzagate? So much relating to covid such as the infamous red deer post and the great reset/WEF
I’ve always said we shouldn’t entertain this, it will backfire, and it is.
Disingenuous and a failure to compare like with like. There is indeed a lot of circumstantial evidence (from suspiciously high turnout for Biden to discussions of fortification, to the covid mail in ballot fiasco) to question the 2020 election results and many Iranian officials openly boasted about how much they would love to use nukes on both the US and Israel, among others. The intelligence agencies who were dismissive of this are the same who are often quite antagonistic to Israel (Think Michael Scheuer, various anti-zionist elements in the CIA) excuse the behavior of regimes antagonistic to Israel and claim they behave that way not because they genuinely hate the west, but because of our support for the Israeli government. A claim utterly refuted when one looks at the rhetoric of said regime, or how muslims in Europe behave. Israel made them do that?
Which goes to your next point. To say 'Trump enabled lunacy' merely because he wasn't forceful enough in dismissing QAnon/Pizzagate (which I agree with you, he should've been) is, again a failure to compare like with like. The left claims that nonviolent whites make nons commit violence on account of their wildly inaccurate characterizations of slavery/colonialism/jim crow, which is far more dangerous and has far more real world consequences (crime etc.). Moreover, you can't have it both ways.
The lunacy of QAnon/Pizzagate was born out of misinformation relating to Epstein, and how gold digging women were able to make fantastical claims about pedophilia and rape regarding consensual acts, manipulate the legal system and age of consent laws to get it before a court, lie under oath egregiously, then push to have the record redacted to cover their own lying asses while they make millions and blame that on the defense/Trump (or Clinton, depending on one's political persuasion)/elites/celebrities/shape shifting lizards if you're Alex Jones/David Icke...whatever. Trump and the right didn't do their homework, and some used the epstein conspiracy cynically to get some more votes, but the left, after dismissing it for years, turned around and used it as a bludgeon against Trump and many on the online right happily followed suit. That's the hypocrisy. If you want to complain about QAnon/Pizzagate that's fine, but attack it at the source (lies about Epstein/Maxwell) and dismiss the Epstein stuff entirely. You, on the other hand sing the praises of many people whose stock and trade is pushing the kind of pizzagate crap you oppose (Massie, MTG, Shroyer, etc.). QAnon/Pizzagate is a lie because the claims about Epstein are a lie. The original lie wouldn't exist without the mischaracterizations of Epstein.
With regards to China, the important point is that the west has bought the climate kool aid and deindustrialized whereas China makes no bones about being an industrial powerhouse which of course hurts us immensely when it comes to jobs and energy. Do those who have ties to foreign governments encourage the west to cripple themselves in terms of energy production? Of course. The massive Chinese spy network (corporations, universities) and influence lobby is not a conspiracy theory. Claiming everything is about Jews on the other hand...is.
On covid, I would agree that many people lost their shit as a result. But if you want to talk about chickens coming home to roost, it was a direct result of making ridiculous claims about the virus, lying about its origins, lying about the vaccine, ridiculous soul crushing, economy destroying mandates/distancing rules/isolation orders which crippled society on every level. We're still dealing with the consequences of it today (including the conspiracies and misinformation). I think that's a little more serious than some loony bird theory about Klaus Scwab or the WEF.
Ultimately, whether it's the trade imbalance, demographics, jobs/economy, crime or DEI, we ended up where we were largely from ignoring or disregarding Cassandras like President Trump, so you have it completely ass backwards. No doubt you probably think border crossings aren't way down, there haven't been many deportations, or significant rollbacks on DEI, or reductions in crime, and we're letting in billions of Indians every day when H1bs have been significantly reduced as much has been done about LEGAL (that's right, legal) immigration. Likewise, I'm sure you think the Iranian regime is stronger than ever, they haven't let their wells dry up, their production didn't dwindle while they stubbornly tried to hold the world hostage, they aren't running out of resources because their economy is totally dependent on selling oil (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/trumps-blockade-breaking-iran-and-european-elites-are-angry).
These are all, alas, conspiracy theories. Something you claim to be against or only cynically complain about as yet another way to attack Trump. It's again, very left coded. The left is the one committing all the political violence, yet it's actually the right's fault (or white people). Most of the violence and conspiracy theories come from people who are anti-Trump, but it's actually his fault because mild lip service to pizzagate forever ago. Weak sauce.
Well, SOME conspiracies are true. For one I believe in the stolen election of 2020. I also believe in Pizzagate but that's because politics & power attracts sexual weirdos, not because every major politician is pedophilic.
Though remember when DJT ran in 2012, "the forgotten campaign", where his central platform was "Obama was born in Kenya"? That was stupid. So Trump does encourage this nonsense.
Unsavory characters like Candace O that are currently pushing conspiracies are part of what used to be called the "alt lite" back in the day...they were identified by "alt right" people as not being genuine; being there for engagement and likes. The Christchurch shooter jokingly said that Candace was "what radicalized him." Candace is just the new Ann Coulter...an opportunist with a mouth and a body. Soon she'll be writing books called "CHRISTMOGGED: The MAGA War on Christians"
These people will be around for a while. There is a popular need for end-of-the-world rage-bait pseudo-Christian content for the right-leaning normie. Candace and Fuentes are just the "voice" of a new generation. Soon Candace & Fuentes will be seen as Boomer broadcasting like Sean Hannity is now and I can't wait for that.
I think what people like Scott need to realize is that James Fishback, Nick Fuentes, and Candace Owens are just doing what Trump did.
I do not know why we suddenly care about the dangers of misinformation now.
It reflects a larger issue on the right where Trump is held to no standards. I have the sensible belief that our leaders should be held to higher standards than ordinary people. I do not know why we are so mad at some random podcast shaniqua for lying when we still support Trump and made him president despite all of his lies.
This applies to so many things. Go watch Scott’s podcast on Ron DeSantis. He opens it with this impression of Ben Shapiro and Ron DeSantis, and the basic point is that if Ron wins, he will listen to Zionist Jews and start a war with Iran.
I think Trump has damaged MAGA with his new war (for Israel) and much of his base is going further to the right (see Tucker). SPLC lawsuit will be better for white nationalists overall, but I suspect they want to try to regain some of the base’s confidence in MAGA while discrediting the white nationalist movement as controlled opposition. Implying on a political enemy what MAGA is - controlled opposition. Liberalism is dead. Tribalism is the future of the West. This will backfire and improve the white nationalist position.
If I were as large and rich and influential as the SPLC (or the ADL or the ACLU) I would certainly be on the watch for nascent movements from which to fund-raise from. This is probably close to 100% of the ADL's modus operandi.
Famous dictators would often elevate relatively powerless people and movements so they could justify crackdowns.
The only blame I'd have to the alt-right is that they were receiving shady funding and didn't ask questions. Yes I'm sure these geeks needed the cash, but if I were a movement organizer or leader I'd make sure odd $300K checks from anonymous sources were vetted before spend. They could have come from a honest-to-God Nazi as much as from the SPLC.
Still, curious how nothing happened to the likes of Mike Enoch or Nick Fuentes, yet other lesser-knowns were given the hammer. This is most certainly a conspiracy.
This is more than keeping a watchful eye on the money spigot. We're talking about paid informants in these organizations. So, if you actually care about white people and you're in one of these organizations, you're literally taking orders from someone who wants you to fail. With regard to your point about Fuentes/Enoch, I think it's probably true that they got money from people who obtained their funds from SPLC, but if it's second hand, there's very little they can do, which is a shame because I can't think of two greater enemies of the white race than the gay mexican pope and the jewish street agitator.
It seems like many on the left are getting increasingly brazen as they dodge responsibility for both failed and successful assassination attempts on our leading figures. Jon Stewart even implied admin officials acted cowardly after the latest attempt.
Please stop using the word "informant" to describe what the SPLC was doing. That's the left's word, and it undermines our narrative that they were boosting racism to have an imaginary dragon to slay. Besides, it's probably inaccurate, nobody pays someone a quarter of a million to slip them some emails and group chat history.
Equally leftist framing I.e racism not real
Obviously, I think Candace Owens is wrong, and I don’t like her. However, “the base” and “MAGA” need to take some accountability for creating the environment that enabled her by not pushing back on the conspiratorial thinking that has underpinned much of MAGA.
How much blatantly wrong conspiratorial rhetoric have we let Donald Trump get away with? The 2020 election claims? The claim that Iran was planning to nuke us,even though America’s own intelligence agencies have said that was incorrect? The claim that wind power is a scam by China and that they don’t use it themselves (they do)? Everything related to QAnon and Pizzagate? So much relating to covid such as the infamous red deer post and the great reset/WEF
I’ve always said we shouldn’t entertain this, it will backfire, and it is.
Disingenuous and a failure to compare like with like. There is indeed a lot of circumstantial evidence (from suspiciously high turnout for Biden to discussions of fortification, to the covid mail in ballot fiasco) to question the 2020 election results and many Iranian officials openly boasted about how much they would love to use nukes on both the US and Israel, among others. The intelligence agencies who were dismissive of this are the same who are often quite antagonistic to Israel (Think Michael Scheuer, various anti-zionist elements in the CIA) excuse the behavior of regimes antagonistic to Israel and claim they behave that way not because they genuinely hate the west, but because of our support for the Israeli government. A claim utterly refuted when one looks at the rhetoric of said regime, or how muslims in Europe behave. Israel made them do that?
Which goes to your next point. To say 'Trump enabled lunacy' merely because he wasn't forceful enough in dismissing QAnon/Pizzagate (which I agree with you, he should've been) is, again a failure to compare like with like. The left claims that nonviolent whites make nons commit violence on account of their wildly inaccurate characterizations of slavery/colonialism/jim crow, which is far more dangerous and has far more real world consequences (crime etc.). Moreover, you can't have it both ways.
The lunacy of QAnon/Pizzagate was born out of misinformation relating to Epstein, and how gold digging women were able to make fantastical claims about pedophilia and rape regarding consensual acts, manipulate the legal system and age of consent laws to get it before a court, lie under oath egregiously, then push to have the record redacted to cover their own lying asses while they make millions and blame that on the defense/Trump (or Clinton, depending on one's political persuasion)/elites/celebrities/shape shifting lizards if you're Alex Jones/David Icke...whatever. Trump and the right didn't do their homework, and some used the epstein conspiracy cynically to get some more votes, but the left, after dismissing it for years, turned around and used it as a bludgeon against Trump and many on the online right happily followed suit. That's the hypocrisy. If you want to complain about QAnon/Pizzagate that's fine, but attack it at the source (lies about Epstein/Maxwell) and dismiss the Epstein stuff entirely. You, on the other hand sing the praises of many people whose stock and trade is pushing the kind of pizzagate crap you oppose (Massie, MTG, Shroyer, etc.). QAnon/Pizzagate is a lie because the claims about Epstein are a lie. The original lie wouldn't exist without the mischaracterizations of Epstein.
With regards to China, the important point is that the west has bought the climate kool aid and deindustrialized whereas China makes no bones about being an industrial powerhouse which of course hurts us immensely when it comes to jobs and energy. Do those who have ties to foreign governments encourage the west to cripple themselves in terms of energy production? Of course. The massive Chinese spy network (corporations, universities) and influence lobby is not a conspiracy theory. Claiming everything is about Jews on the other hand...is.
On covid, I would agree that many people lost their shit as a result. But if you want to talk about chickens coming home to roost, it was a direct result of making ridiculous claims about the virus, lying about its origins, lying about the vaccine, ridiculous soul crushing, economy destroying mandates/distancing rules/isolation orders which crippled society on every level. We're still dealing with the consequences of it today (including the conspiracies and misinformation). I think that's a little more serious than some loony bird theory about Klaus Scwab or the WEF.
Ultimately, whether it's the trade imbalance, demographics, jobs/economy, crime or DEI, we ended up where we were largely from ignoring or disregarding Cassandras like President Trump, so you have it completely ass backwards. No doubt you probably think border crossings aren't way down, there haven't been many deportations, or significant rollbacks on DEI, or reductions in crime, and we're letting in billions of Indians every day when H1bs have been significantly reduced as much has been done about LEGAL (that's right, legal) immigration. Likewise, I'm sure you think the Iranian regime is stronger than ever, they haven't let their wells dry up, their production didn't dwindle while they stubbornly tried to hold the world hostage, they aren't running out of resources because their economy is totally dependent on selling oil (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/trumps-blockade-breaking-iran-and-european-elites-are-angry).
These are all, alas, conspiracy theories. Something you claim to be against or only cynically complain about as yet another way to attack Trump. It's again, very left coded. The left is the one committing all the political violence, yet it's actually the right's fault (or white people). Most of the violence and conspiracy theories come from people who are anti-Trump, but it's actually his fault because mild lip service to pizzagate forever ago. Weak sauce.
Well, SOME conspiracies are true. For one I believe in the stolen election of 2020. I also believe in Pizzagate but that's because politics & power attracts sexual weirdos, not because every major politician is pedophilic.
Though remember when DJT ran in 2012, "the forgotten campaign", where his central platform was "Obama was born in Kenya"? That was stupid. So Trump does encourage this nonsense.
Unsavory characters like Candace O that are currently pushing conspiracies are part of what used to be called the "alt lite" back in the day...they were identified by "alt right" people as not being genuine; being there for engagement and likes. The Christchurch shooter jokingly said that Candace was "what radicalized him." Candace is just the new Ann Coulter...an opportunist with a mouth and a body. Soon she'll be writing books called "CHRISTMOGGED: The MAGA War on Christians"
These people will be around for a while. There is a popular need for end-of-the-world rage-bait pseudo-Christian content for the right-leaning normie. Candace and Fuentes are just the "voice" of a new generation. Soon Candace & Fuentes will be seen as Boomer broadcasting like Sean Hannity is now and I can't wait for that.
I think what people like Scott need to realize is that James Fishback, Nick Fuentes, and Candace Owens are just doing what Trump did.
I do not know why we suddenly care about the dangers of misinformation now.
It reflects a larger issue on the right where Trump is held to no standards. I have the sensible belief that our leaders should be held to higher standards than ordinary people. I do not know why we are so mad at some random podcast shaniqua for lying when we still support Trump and made him president despite all of his lies.
This applies to so many things. Go watch Scott’s podcast on Ron DeSantis. He opens it with this impression of Ben Shapiro and Ron DeSantis, and the basic point is that if Ron wins, he will listen to Zionist Jews and start a war with Iran.
You mean like what Trump did?
The regime like Candace because she distracts from race.
I think Trump has damaged MAGA with his new war (for Israel) and much of his base is going further to the right (see Tucker). SPLC lawsuit will be better for white nationalists overall, but I suspect they want to try to regain some of the base’s confidence in MAGA while discrediting the white nationalist movement as controlled opposition. Implying on a political enemy what MAGA is - controlled opposition. Liberalism is dead. Tribalism is the future of the West. This will backfire and improve the white nationalist position.
What’s wild is that almost all of this is centered on Twitter, and none of those people realize how much of an E-ghetto they live in.
If I were as large and rich and influential as the SPLC (or the ADL or the ACLU) I would certainly be on the watch for nascent movements from which to fund-raise from. This is probably close to 100% of the ADL's modus operandi.
Famous dictators would often elevate relatively powerless people and movements so they could justify crackdowns.
The only blame I'd have to the alt-right is that they were receiving shady funding and didn't ask questions. Yes I'm sure these geeks needed the cash, but if I were a movement organizer or leader I'd make sure odd $300K checks from anonymous sources were vetted before spend. They could have come from a honest-to-God Nazi as much as from the SPLC.
Still, curious how nothing happened to the likes of Mike Enoch or Nick Fuentes, yet other lesser-knowns were given the hammer. This is most certainly a conspiracy.
This is more than keeping a watchful eye on the money spigot. We're talking about paid informants in these organizations. So, if you actually care about white people and you're in one of these organizations, you're literally taking orders from someone who wants you to fail. With regard to your point about Fuentes/Enoch, I think it's probably true that they got money from people who obtained their funds from SPLC, but if it's second hand, there's very little they can do, which is a shame because I can't think of two greater enemies of the white race than the gay mexican pope and the jewish street agitator.