We should stop immigration and end the H1B visa forever. Also, if a lot of clearly unassimilated migrants left the country voluntarily it would be beneficial.
Posting in an edgy way doesn’t really accomplish much past a certain point.
It is very true all that you say. I would like to include the idea of American assimilation to a shared consumer culture (Uber Eats! Ford! Toll Brother homes!) and with specific local cultures across the U.S. By and large, Indians are not so bad as we make them out to be when you have to interact with each other. They are eager to work, and do tvmhe job, across many sectors and levels of our economy. From the front desk clerk to an accountant or Investment Banker. Still think it was a mistake obvuously to flood our country with too much immigration as almost every conservative would agree with. My exposure to Indians has been minimal in my life other than them living everywhere around our country. To go around acting more like George Lincoln Rockwell than a decent well mannered conservative, is clownish and toxic (See Thomas777's podcast review on GLR). I see Bo French as so many others (including myself), acting out to rally the base on X for likes or by just being wishful of an America of the past. We fall into this trap again and again and look where it gets you. I
Good article. The American right lost this culture war battle because they can't articulate a coherent view of Americanism. They are too cowardly, and a lot of them clearly pretend to be more radical than they actually are.
No, you are positioning a kind of media/college discourse in the place of "normies". No normie looks at a picture of Indian people and thinks "Americans, just like me". They also don't have dissident right discourses floating around in their heads. They don't think of themselves as "Heritage Americans"--they are people from the default culture and they know that Indians are from a different culture. Let's put it this way, if they know any Indians, which they probably don't, they wouldn't expect them to know what kind of food would make sense to bring to a pot luck. They wouldn't expect their kids to be "normal". They're not going to talk to them in a way that assumes that they can relate to various mundane life experiences. They are going to think of the Indian person as foreign and when they see Indians in cowbay hats at a ball game, they think "it's nice when foreigners enjoy American culture."
This is anachronistic take of American life. You ascribe opinions of mid-20th century Americans to contemporary normies. Most Americans no longer go to potlucks. Most of them know Indians. A number don't like Indians based on what they know about them. You assume the standard American is Archie Bunker when that hasn't been the case in awhile.
This article didn't claim they have dissident right discourses floating around their head. The article argued the opposite.
If you polled the average person and were told these Indians were citizens, they would say they're Americans. Many do find the sight of so many of them at a college football game odd, but most would shrug their shoulders.
The good news is that Americans don't deeply care about the outrage against Bo French either. They're focused on other matters.
A lot of "Americans" these days are anything but, and are a higher % of the population than the past so I don't expect them to think like an actual American does. So I am not surprised at who they consider an American.
And normies will believe whatever they are told through constant repitition, so the more the message gets out the better. Steve Sailer always references what is unsaid is unthought. Like with Trump it usually starts with a shocking, clumsy statement which eventually becomes a mainstream talking point. Who knew today we'd actually have real discussions about ending legal immigration. The more the Indian problem gets addressed now the better, before we really start to get waves of the dregs coming over.
It is pretty common among the educated middle class to see a well put together white guy and a skinny, similarly educated indian wife, who by any normie metrics has fully assimilated into standard yuppie American life. It is a very tough sell to someone who isnt fully immersed in online racism that Indians, especially second gens, arent Americans.
Even me, who wants them gone, will have to admit a second Gen indian isnt that much different than your standard educated progressive white person.
There is a reason why normies dont care that JD Vance married an indian woman. Normal republican voters dont see any issue with it
Hahahaha. No, I don’t think that the average American is Archie Bunker. And, yes, people go to pot lucks (or bbqs or other kinds of social events where people bring food) pretty regularly, at least if they have any friends—I’ve probably been to 7 this summer. And no, I doubt the average American really knows any Indian people any further than “yeah, there are a couple guys at my gym—I think they work at the hospital.” But the reason I know all this and you don’t is because I am a 40 yo normie and you are a 20 yo right wing influencer. At any rate, everyone intuitively knows what a paperwork American is. And no one genuinely thinks that Indians are Americans if they watch football. But most Americans don’t spend any time thinking about this.
Like 2 days ago my stepmother was saying that she went to see an Indian doctor and she says “A lot of people say you shouldn’t go to an Indian doctor, but he seemed alright.” She has no particular animosity towards Indians, but it was obvious to her that he was not American. She didn’t need to wait to find out if he was a citizen or if he watched football
The anecdote supports my argument lol. White normies still recognize blacks and Hispanics as something different from them. That doesn't mean they see them as non-Americans, unless they don't speak English and are illegals. The same goes for Indians. Seeing there are differences between your group and another doesn't mean they think they are non-Americans.
As you repeatedly said, normies don't think about this issue. If they did think about it, they would probably think they aren't Americans, regardless of paperwork. But if you polled them, they would say "sure, I guess Indians are Americans if they're citizens"
I'm a little surprised your explanation was as thin as it was. Americans grew to accept a consumer identity defining 'Americanness' largely through the influence of the television. Alt Media is largely responsible for the exposition in people seeing just how alien these newcomers to our shores are. In the specific UT Student section example, I am sure there are a few, though perhaps not many, people who were initially sympathetic before realizing these Indians had illegally snuck a gallon of milk to shake over themselves after several hours of Texas heat. The internet in their pocket continues to show real Americans how uncommon their Americanness is, much as this realization may make them uncomfortable.
At the core of it, America is not a country, it's an economic zone. And if it's not a country, then there's no reason that whites shouldn't have freedom of association. Unless the goal is to erase whites. Then there is a reason, but it's not a reason that can just be ignored unless one agrees with it.
Good piece, folks like Bo French demanding GOP politicians to turn themselves into Jared Taylor on the campaign trail is just performative nonsense that's unlikely to be electorally successful. I struggle myself to define the contours of 'assimilation.' I suppose what Antonin Scalia said, which is new citizens accepting America as a country that's culturally constructed in Anglo-Saxonism, is a start.
In senior yr of high school a group of german kids came over as part of the schools exchange program. They were liberals and thought the AFD was a problem but they clearly knew their migrants weren't the same as them. They just thought it wasnt an issue for them to stay in Germany, but even then theres a thicker identity
Migrants in Europe are much more openly hostile and generally adversarial/alien to our Hispanics, Asians, Indians, even our MENA who tend to be mostly Christian.
Whether that’s good for the RW cause or not depends on your POV.
"Indians, a group with low crime rates" as compared to whom? Gang shootings sure, but it feels like they punch above their weight in white collar crime.
We should stop immigration and end the H1B visa forever. Also, if a lot of clearly unassimilated migrants left the country voluntarily it would be beneficial.
Posting in an edgy way doesn’t really accomplish much past a certain point.
It is very true all that you say. I would like to include the idea of American assimilation to a shared consumer culture (Uber Eats! Ford! Toll Brother homes!) and with specific local cultures across the U.S. By and large, Indians are not so bad as we make them out to be when you have to interact with each other. They are eager to work, and do tvmhe job, across many sectors and levels of our economy. From the front desk clerk to an accountant or Investment Banker. Still think it was a mistake obvuously to flood our country with too much immigration as almost every conservative would agree with. My exposure to Indians has been minimal in my life other than them living everywhere around our country. To go around acting more like George Lincoln Rockwell than a decent well mannered conservative, is clownish and toxic (See Thomas777's podcast review on GLR). I see Bo French as so many others (including myself), acting out to rally the base on X for likes or by just being wishful of an America of the past. We fall into this trap again and again and look where it gets you. I
Ostracized from society.
Yeah I decided to edit "market economy" to "consumer economy" to better encompass your point.
People we do well to share this podcast with folks acting like Dan Bilzerian or the loser Floridian candidate James Fishback. https://substack.com/@realthomas777/note/p-214291300?r=sm7wb
They vote wrong and express a strong ethno-nepotism versus non Indians. I don't care what sportsball they watch.
Good article. The American right lost this culture war battle because they can't articulate a coherent view of Americanism. They are too cowardly, and a lot of them clearly pretend to be more radical than they actually are.
If Usha Vance can be a real American, why can't these Longhorns fans?
The nationalism is cringe when all it ever does is support Israel and a war in Iran.
Usha is only second generation, so her status is pending whether her son's can marry an American.
I.e. more race mixing
Usha Vance isn’t an American. She should be deported!
The 7/11 years war for our European friends
No, you are positioning a kind of media/college discourse in the place of "normies". No normie looks at a picture of Indian people and thinks "Americans, just like me". They also don't have dissident right discourses floating around in their heads. They don't think of themselves as "Heritage Americans"--they are people from the default culture and they know that Indians are from a different culture. Let's put it this way, if they know any Indians, which they probably don't, they wouldn't expect them to know what kind of food would make sense to bring to a pot luck. They wouldn't expect their kids to be "normal". They're not going to talk to them in a way that assumes that they can relate to various mundane life experiences. They are going to think of the Indian person as foreign and when they see Indians in cowbay hats at a ball game, they think "it's nice when foreigners enjoy American culture."
This is anachronistic take of American life. You ascribe opinions of mid-20th century Americans to contemporary normies. Most Americans no longer go to potlucks. Most of them know Indians. A number don't like Indians based on what they know about them. You assume the standard American is Archie Bunker when that hasn't been the case in awhile.
This article didn't claim they have dissident right discourses floating around their head. The article argued the opposite.
If you polled the average person and were told these Indians were citizens, they would say they're Americans. Many do find the sight of so many of them at a college football game odd, but most would shrug their shoulders.
The good news is that Americans don't deeply care about the outrage against Bo French either. They're focused on other matters.
A lot of "Americans" these days are anything but, and are a higher % of the population than the past so I don't expect them to think like an actual American does. So I am not surprised at who they consider an American.
And normies will believe whatever they are told through constant repitition, so the more the message gets out the better. Steve Sailer always references what is unsaid is unthought. Like with Trump it usually starts with a shocking, clumsy statement which eventually becomes a mainstream talking point. Who knew today we'd actually have real discussions about ending legal immigration. The more the Indian problem gets addressed now the better, before we really start to get waves of the dregs coming over.
It is pretty common among the educated middle class to see a well put together white guy and a skinny, similarly educated indian wife, who by any normie metrics has fully assimilated into standard yuppie American life. It is a very tough sell to someone who isnt fully immersed in online racism that Indians, especially second gens, arent Americans.
Even me, who wants them gone, will have to admit a second Gen indian isnt that much different than your standard educated progressive white person.
There is a reason why normies dont care that JD Vance married an indian woman. Normal republican voters dont see any issue with it
Hahahaha. No, I don’t think that the average American is Archie Bunker. And, yes, people go to pot lucks (or bbqs or other kinds of social events where people bring food) pretty regularly, at least if they have any friends—I’ve probably been to 7 this summer. And no, I doubt the average American really knows any Indian people any further than “yeah, there are a couple guys at my gym—I think they work at the hospital.” But the reason I know all this and you don’t is because I am a 40 yo normie and you are a 20 yo right wing influencer. At any rate, everyone intuitively knows what a paperwork American is. And no one genuinely thinks that Indians are Americans if they watch football. But most Americans don’t spend any time thinking about this.
Like 2 days ago my stepmother was saying that she went to see an Indian doctor and she says “A lot of people say you shouldn’t go to an Indian doctor, but he seemed alright.” She has no particular animosity towards Indians, but it was obvious to her that he was not American. She didn’t need to wait to find out if he was a citizen or if he watched football
The anecdote supports my argument lol. White normies still recognize blacks and Hispanics as something different from them. That doesn't mean they see them as non-Americans, unless they don't speak English and are illegals. The same goes for Indians. Seeing there are differences between your group and another doesn't mean they think they are non-Americans.
As you repeatedly said, normies don't think about this issue. If they did think about it, they would probably think they aren't Americans, regardless of paperwork. But if you polled them, they would say "sure, I guess Indians are Americans if they're citizens"
I'm a little surprised your explanation was as thin as it was. Americans grew to accept a consumer identity defining 'Americanness' largely through the influence of the television. Alt Media is largely responsible for the exposition in people seeing just how alien these newcomers to our shores are. In the specific UT Student section example, I am sure there are a few, though perhaps not many, people who were initially sympathetic before realizing these Indians had illegally snuck a gallon of milk to shake over themselves after several hours of Texas heat. The internet in their pocket continues to show real Americans how uncommon their Americanness is, much as this realization may make them uncomfortable.
There's a lot of reasons for it and limited space, but television isn't the primary reason
I’m not reading this but great title
A society that can’t even agree on what is an American is seriously cooked
At the core of it, America is not a country, it's an economic zone. And if it's not a country, then there's no reason that whites shouldn't have freedom of association. Unless the goal is to erase whites. Then there is a reason, but it's not a reason that can just be ignored unless one agrees with it.
Good piece, folks like Bo French demanding GOP politicians to turn themselves into Jared Taylor on the campaign trail is just performative nonsense that's unlikely to be electorally successful. I struggle myself to define the contours of 'assimilation.' I suppose what Antonin Scalia said, which is new citizens accepting America as a country that's culturally constructed in Anglo-Saxonism, is a start.
In senior yr of high school a group of german kids came over as part of the schools exchange program. They were liberals and thought the AFD was a problem but they clearly knew their migrants weren't the same as them. They just thought it wasnt an issue for them to stay in Germany, but even then theres a thicker identity
Migrants in Europe are much more openly hostile and generally adversarial/alien to our Hispanics, Asians, Indians, even our MENA who tend to be mostly Christian.
Whether that’s good for the RW cause or not depends on your POV.
Funny thing was the German kids i met felt there was no problem in them staying
Prob libs or just afraid to say their true opinion
Yeah they were libs. My friend hosted a German kid and his family's SPD
“Liberal Democracy” has ruined what it even means to be an American. If everyone is an American, no one is.
Point 6: Reaffirm the First Principles in our founding documents.
"Indians, a group with low crime rates" as compared to whom? Gang shootings sure, but it feels like they punch above their weight in white collar crime.