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Otmar Milan's avatar

Great Piece Scott I think the death was milked to much and that took away it's power. Normies hated how they had to be reminded of George Floyd every 2 seconds (notice how they don't talk about him anymore ?).

Paving the Way's avatar

You are missing the bigger picture. Exposing the Stepford Wives, the money-launderers, the overly-spiritualized Evangelicals, the LDS lunatics, the Zionists, and the Republican homos, that were the basis of Turning Point USA has opened the door for a more mature and healthier Nationalism/Populism to take over the Republican Party or even create a new political party. I am tired of holding my nose when I am forced to be around these people. Owens and others are performing an important service for our people.

Cleburne Fan's avatar

Demanding to see Brigitte macron’s non-existent penis is not a healthy or mature vision for the republican party. Take your meds and watch the big game, this isn’t for you.

Paving the Way's avatar

Controlled opposition pays well apparently.

Viddao's avatar

You are controlled opposition you cunt. You're a saboteur.

V900's avatar

Fuck that.

Macron’s tranny wife was always just a sideshow for Owens. She did ONE story about it before they started suing her.

Cleburne Fan's avatar

How do you think libel works dumbass? Do you think there’s a like a three strikes rule for how many times you’re allowed to spread disgusting baseless lies? It wouldn’t matter if it were one time or a dozen, it’s still libel.

V900's avatar

And if you don’t understand the importance of subverting the enemy by laughing at them and taking away their power as “serious people” I don’t really know what to tell you.

And a great way of doing that is “Hey Emmanuel, is it true that your wife has a penis?!”

V900's avatar

Macron was groomed as a 14 year old. That’s just facts. He later tried to change his biography to make his groomer wife look less creepy by lying about his age. Again: Facts.

Now whether he got groomed by a man or a woman is a little up in the air, but there’s one way to settle it: By having “Brigitte” drop the trousers and show a doctor her 70 year old cooch/penis.

Cleburne Fan's avatar

Oh, it’s just a fact, I should have realized, that changes everything! I guess she really does have a penis and the French and Egyptian military really is plotting to kill American conservatives.

V900's avatar

Also: You’re wrong.

It IS important. Why? Because people like Macron (or Biden or Starmer for that matter) always try to portray themselves as really important people you need to take seriously.

There is no better antidote for that than a journalist going: “Lol! I don’t care what you think about Ukraine, Macron! Now tell us how about your wives penis and how you got groomed at 14!”

Cleburne Fan's avatar

Yeah, but it isn’t just Macron and Biden. She’s deflecting blame from the left and is now implicating Erika Kirk and Charlie’s associates of participating in his murder. It’s disgusting.

V900's avatar

Again: Owens isn’t the problem. She’s the symptom of a larger problem, which is all the Israel First Republicans and neocons which is littering the GOP.

Cleburne Fan's avatar

No, she’s a symptom of bored housewives and america’s rapidly declining IQ. None of this helps keep america white and merely criticizing “neoconservatism” is not enough to warrant defending her. She’s a dumb black bitch grifter who will drop the act the second she finds another angle.

Daas Yochid's avatar

She is doing the important service of showing a high proportion of right wingers are insane loons.

Paving the Way's avatar

Yes, the people in the groups above I mentioned do seem quite disturbed/delusional. The critical thinkers on the Right are finally speaking out. I think a lot of rational people were freaked out by that showbiz Kirk funeral. I think Kirk knew he had a lot of weirdos in his midst, but he also knew they were committed revolutionaries or at least committed to the cash they were laundering or receiving. It was a shit-show.

Daas Yochid's avatar

I would recommend reading David Coles Substack.

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EliezerYudnerdsky's avatar

Nick Fuentes is a critical thinker and him trolling about the holly doesn't negate that. He's bigger than ever in the vacuum Kirk left. It's a good thing.

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Cultivator3's avatar

They wouldn't have

Otmar Milan's avatar

Honestly this I am with Nick despite my issues with him. I am sick of being told to be a good sport while fucking everyone Jews,Blacks,Libertarians,crypto guys and billionaires get what they want meanwhile the pro White right who voted for Trump get's nothing. I hope republicans lose the mid terms they need to learn their lesson it is the only way we make any progress.

Recall McCain and the GOP losing so bad in 2008 s how we got Trump in the first place sometimes you have to let your party lose the democrat let Kamala lose over Gaza

Daas Yochid's avatar

I would recommend you read David Cole.

David N's avatar

I would recommend you read the Nuremberg verdict

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EliezerYudnerdsky's avatar

Erm, Scott? Mods? What the heckin' doge?

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Otmar Milan's avatar

You are threatening to kill people that is not protected speech and even if it was this isn't a government space

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The GOP needs to s**t or get off the pot. You can't purport to represent a whole slew of conflicting interests, e.g. tech and crypto billionaires, Zionists, neocons and nativists. Eventually you are forced to choose via your actions. They have chosen and are losing their core support. It's that simple. Kirk's assassination accelerated this process but the dynamic existed prior and has nothing to do with Kirk.

Paving the Way's avatar

A party can also not be both populist and corporatist.

ryan thompson's avatar

You're right but you're giving Owens too much credit. She, like Fuentes and Carlson, doesn't care what happens to white people and the fatigue when it comes to civnat evangelitards was already well underway, and sensible people are talking about the attempt from ankle biters at TPUSA to get Kirk back on the reservation. It has nothing to do with the made up wooo Candace peddles.

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“Conspiratorialism is driven in large part by the Right’s audience demand for maximum entertainment. It’s seen as boring to just state the facts.”

Why don’t you discuss the low-IQ factor? That’s the main reason people are entertained by low-IQ conspiracies. Many right-wing whites are on par with low-IQ black nationalists. The real entertainment is watching Candace grift off of these morons.

Calvin_The_Hee's avatar

That doesn't quite cut it. I've seen very smart people, doctors even, fall for this stupid kayfabe politics. The best explanation I've seen is that it's all a soap opera to these people, mass media makes things unreal, so when people consume this slop for entertainment their are unable to discern that this is reality and what they believe will have real world consequences. They may as well be reading a fairytale.

Wallace Mack's avatar

Peoples brains broke after establishment media credibility was vaporized. In the absence of an encompassing worldview supplied by trusted authority, they’re left on their own and the algorithms funnel them to lunatics. It’s not just a right problem. The whole country is an insane asylum.

I think this is a feature of an increasingly online world. People believe their screens more than their eyes.

Calvin_The_Hee's avatar

I couldn’t have put it better myself.

Spencer's avatar

You are not wrong. But I think IQ helps many avoid falling for the ad hoc conspiracy crap.

Otmar Milan's avatar

Look the right just needs to shut the fuck up about mass arrest. It isn't gonna happen.

This clearly come from Qanon as the "storm" was described as a mass arrest of leftist. As scott said there was no network here besides discord trannies.

We do not want like laws going after influencers and rhetoric because it will back fire hard and hurt us more again Scott has talked about this.

LizardKing's avatar

I don't think any of this infighting would be happening if the Trump administration was actually getting serious wins against the left, like they were in the first 3-4 months in office. The pattern now is pretty obvious: Trump does something, the left finds a judge to block it, Trump complains, the left wing judge's order either stands or gets held up in court for months/years. When you can't deliver real wins to your base they start to fight over scraps, and in this case, bones.

Michiel's avatar

Trump also just doesn't seem that interested in tackling one of the main things his base and the broader voting public care about: the affordability crisis. He even called it a hoax. He's also been weak on H1B's and flip flopping on China (apparently it's now ok again to have tens of thousands of Chinese students at American universities, and selling advanced NVIDIA chips)

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H1-B is a great example of an influencer-driven hysteria.

Not because it doesn't need to end -it absolutely does- but because it's overall a very small part of the economy, and not the primary reason STEM majors are having trouble finding employment. It's estimated there are only 730,000 H1-Bs in the US based on the numbers coming in vs numbers expiring every year (which is published and set by regulation, not just inferred or something), which would constitute only 0.44% of the employed population, and only around 7.6% of the tech jobs. Removing all of them would do ultimately very little to open up new opportunities for the millions of young Americans who were pushed into web developer training (college, bootcamps, etc.) right as the market saturated. The bigger issue is the chain migration it allows for, which is putting burden on welfare programs more than it is the job market.

The way you fix STEM majors not finding STEM jobs is by creating more STEM fields which aren't yet saturated. An economy cannot run on IT for financial corporations and healthcare providers alone, but that was the great lie fed to the people. This is why Trump is so heavily pushing for re-industrialization; it's how you make STEM majors employable again. He also cannot summarily shut off H1-B, it's a law passed by Congress, which would need to be repealed, and practically will not be because Congress is corrupt. Putting up regulatory barriers to its use (registration fees), closing loopholes (LPT) to get around the barriers, and encouraging companies to onshore workers via incentives is pretty much the limit of his executive authority, and frankly, the limit of the focus and time that should be spent on something which, on its own, won't fix much were it removed.

Whatsit Tooya's avatar

But you won't hear any of this, because H1-B is an easy shorthand for "foreigners took our jobs", a reasonable complaint, but one which allows influencers to drive rage and engagement rather than actual policy, because they've made perceived inaction on the H1-B program synonymous with inaction on immigration and offshoring as a whole, and fed it out to a population who don't know how anything actually works.

Nitro's avatar

Every time a left wing judge has stymied a Trump policy thus far, he has won when it made its way to SCOTUS.

They’ve delayed his actions consistently and significantly, but every time so far Trump has won on the merits.

It’s annoying, but as long as the right holds the high ground with SCOTUS, it’s probably worth maintaining the legitimacy of the federal courts.

LizardKing's avatar

Killmar Garcia was just let free back into the US. Birthright citizenship will likely be upheld by SCOTUS. Trump's major judicial wins have been ending some federal agencies/workers(USAID), and ending temporary status for Venezuelans. I'm not saying these don't matter, but they are small potatoes.

Nitro's avatar

One guy getting released and supposition on how a case SCOTUS hasn’t heard yet will go hardly outweighs 20+ favorable rulings.

If the birthright citizenship case does go poorly, then you’d have more of a point. But right now it’s jumping the gun.

LizardKing's avatar

We’ll see I guess, but my point still stands, apart from his initial blitz after inauguration, Trump has yet to deliver the big wins his base needs.

RomanCandle's avatar

I’m one of those men who only appreciated Charlie Kirk after he died.

That’s a failure, both pragmatically and morally.

FBoyJ's avatar

So many lies - we haven’t seen evidence that leftism was a motive. Also Kirk and wife trafficked in conspiracies so it is hard to be sympathetic when other people on the right do it to them.

EliezerYudnerdsky's avatar

How's your furry bf doing? You know you're on a list, right?

Glorious Jordy's avatar

"Tyler Robinson’s actions were clearly inspired by the Left’s hysteric rhetoric and provided foolproof evidence that left-wing violence was a far greater threat than anything emanating from the Right."

Show, don't tell.

Cultivator3's avatar

I think we should study the left's reaction to the event more. The same jokes/speech that would have gotten people fired in the wake of the killing are growing popular on social media. If they aren't directly celebrating, they think the event was karmic retribution (white assassin despite talking about gang violence, Charlie's 2A "necessary evil" comment) in addition to Kirk having the "wrong" political views.

I believe these criticisms are more widespread than RW conspiracies (Israel/France/TPUSA inside job) and also need to be worked on by the right, going back to the basics on gun violence statistics for example.

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Cultivator3's avatar

And were they wrong to do so?

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Alexander of Miletus's avatar

I can’t wait for the day you meet an actual Nazi, and learn that Kirk was nothing like them.

V900's avatar

You know what the problem is? Nope, not Candace Owens.

It’s Israel and Israel First Republicans.

First of all because it’s impossible to have a healthy, populist, nationalist party if a loud minority CONSTANTLY tries to serve another nation state.

Secondly, these people serve as a destabilizing element, constantly attacking other Republicans that they see as insufficiently loyal to Israel.

And thirdly, their very presence have created an atmosphere of conspiracies and paranoia. If they actually have dual loyalties and you’re not allowed to talk about it, how deep does the rabbit hole go? It’s the kind of thinking that leads to. “It was probably Israel who killed Kirk!”

RJB68's avatar

I hated how his assassination pushed the Iryna Zarutska murder out of the news cycle. That story was raising some very uncomfortable truths about black criminality, recidivism, DEI judges and government incompetence. It was really a missed opportunity to create our George Floyd.

American Squire's avatar

Some expectations were unrealistic, sure, but nobody’s broadcasting license got revoked for the lies, nobody ever bothered with whoever Robinson was connected with on discord. To be taken seriously the admin has to look like it’s at least trying, even if it isn’t feasible to do mass arrests. So run the leads you do have and punish who you can. But nobody was. And as for what American law does or does not allow, with every despicable judge blocking Trump’s completely legal actions I find myself less and less concerned with that side of it.

TheRepublicIsDead's avatar

So Robinson concluded his phone call about two minutes before the political assassination of CK. Ran through the tunnel, up the stairs to the roof, pulled the upper receiver from his skinny jeans, assembled the rifle, somehow zeroed the scope without needing to fire a round, shot CK in the neck from 140 yards and somehow the bullet didn't blow out the back of Kirk's neck, disassembled the rifle, ran away a short distance from his perch, reassembled the rifle, wrapped it in a towel then laid low for a bit then went to the Dairy Queen for a blizzard and some chicken strips?

I don't know who shot Kirk, and going by the official narrative I know TR couldn't have shot Kirk.

You are a piss-poor propagandist, Michael McGregor.

Stick to Radix Journal.

Calvin_The_Hee's avatar

Good article Mr. Greer, I've been thinking about this off and on again ever since the assassination occurred. You are absolutely right that the online right overplayed it's hand in the aftermath of what happened, and that is tragic. You are also right about all of these loons on the right that are playing the situation for their own gain while disassembling the MAGA coalition, making it internecine. As for the lemmings that are being lead by these pied pipers, well what can you do?

It is the tragic reality that in any moment where an upstart political movement that wants to inflict such revolutionary, or in this case reactionary, change as the Trump movement, you have to build a new class of pundits, technocrats, elites even, out of nothing. Of those that jump aboard early, many are true believers, many others are slick opportunists. What is happening now is tragic, but not surprising in the least, it is why Charlie was so important. I would highly recommend that everyone read this article by Conundrum Cluster which addresses the current moment perfectly, and cases why people are behaving the way that they are, as well as why it is dangerous, https://substack.com/inbox/post/179078481.

Ultimately, one of two things will have to happen. Either social media will have to change in such a way to recreate the civility and greater respect for fact that we enjoyed during much of the twentieth century. Or people will have to migrate away from social media to a viable alternative, either in the real world or through more traditional forms of mass media, where there can be some form of norms and civil values can be imposed. The first option is possible, but not going to happen anytime soon, and the second option is incredibly unlikely.

I cannot help but wonder if what is happening now may be necessary and even good for the long term health of the MAGA movement. The obloquy grifting class was going to have to be addressed at some point, and although the timing is by no means great, it is as I said earlier not surprising in the least. If Donald Trump did indeed invoke a historical process when he came down the golden escalator in 2015, then this is an entirely normal, if not uncomfortable moment in that historical process. This moment of strive arrived with all the punctilio of a well oiled clock. I suppose we will all have to clench our teeth and get through it, being a millenarian will do no good after all.

JKJ's avatar

The opposition faction is conspiratorial by nature. Otherwise we would all just follow the status quo.

EliezerYudnerdsky's avatar

It's a good article, but you should give credit to Nick Fuentes for pushing back against the Kirk conspiracies.

Cleburne Fan's avatar

Does that really warrant credit? Working within the confines of reality and not grifting off of a tragic death is really the bare minimum for an influencer.