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Westy's avatar

It's such a travesty, the country's complacency with Abortion. Something so abhorrent and terrible, waved off and not even looked upon with even skepticism

Marko's avatar

Abortion is not even in the top 100 of national problems. Never was. Abortion isn't even mentioned in the Bible, beyond "don't kill". Imagine being all bent out of shape about the murders of 30-year-olds.

Westy's avatar
May 7Edited

Abortion reflects the soul and morals of the country. Where we approve or just don't care about the murder of the unborn. That the innocent are cast off because of inconvenience or that people don't want to take care of a down syndrome child (for example). Abortion is killing, so it is absolutely banned by the Bible. Not to mention God's understanding and caring for the unborn: “Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, and before you were born I consecrated you" Jeremiah 1:5

Christopher Nelson's avatar

The 1980s called and they’d like their fake problem back. We’ve got actual issues to resolve in this country, pleasing moralizing busybodies isn’t one of them.

Alexander Turok's avatar

>or that people don't want to take care of a down syndrome child (for example)

Christianity is a cult of suffering that demands more of it and wants to make the world worse in order to get it.

Westy's avatar

Why do you think it is a bad thing to take care of the impaired or less fortunate, especially if it is your own child? To what extent do you say it isn't worth it to have a child be born due to impaired? (Club foot, missing a hand, fused palatte mouth, heart murmur)

forumposter123@protonmail.com's avatar

At a societal level I don't think people should be forced to care for other peoples voluntarily impaired children (and in the age of genetic engineering, all impairments will be voluntary). If you choose to bring a downs syndrome kid into the world, I guarantee that's going to cost society millions. We've got a welfare state and all that.

But even at an individual level compare two lives:

1) One couple has a Downs Syndrome kid and then gives up having more because of the commitment it takes to raising that kid.

2) Another couple aborts the downs syndrome kid and goes on to have a bunch of normal healthy children that go on to have successful lives and make their own children.

#2 is more "pro-life" in my estimation. It literally brings more life into the world.

My definition of pro-life would judge a childless person who didn't get an abortion worse then someone who had an abortion but had lots of kids.

Amber H's avatar

Your honesty is great and rare. I'm curious what genetic variations specifically you believe aren't worthy?

Steven Work's avatar

And do you think that only mothers and their babies (and the father) are harmed?

Take a good look at some of the real damage that has been invisible because after a few generations - even sexually mutilation older children is less moving than one of those viral cat video or turning to the news to find out how many IMF sniped shot toddlers.

Yawn!!

EliezerYudnerdsky's avatar

Abortion and birth control are what allow a culture of casual sex, female emancipation and the need for immigrants to prop up asset prices with a cratering birth rate. Nevermind the grave immorality of killing babies because you wanted to cum. Some sick shit Marko.

Marko's avatar

Abortion had nothing to do with the culture wars nor immigration...it was a moral panic drummed up after birth control was introduced. The pro-lifers could not argue that women should be kept virgins til marriage - liberalism proscribes this kind of talk - so they started passing photos around of aborted fetuses. It was emotional blackmail writ large.

But why didn't they focus on much larger problems for postnatal beings such as murder in general? Usury? People left behind by the System? Anti-Christian movements around the world? Pederasty?

No, they "shot their wad" so to speak on abortion, which was a fringe activity done by slutty high school girls with a bit of money. Decades later and there's still slutty girls and nobody goes to church anymore.

amin's avatar

25% of women in USA have or will have abortion during their lifetime. It's not fringe activity

SlowlyReading's avatar

One of the very earliest Christian documents outside the New Testament, the Didache ("Teaching") says "no abortion."

Marko's avatar

Was there even abortion in the 1st century? How did a woman do it? There weren't clinics, let alone women's doctors. Let alone surgeons. If you merely stepped on a rock the wrong way, you died. There was no choice between a baby and your independence...it was dead or alive.

What translation of the Bible are you reading?

forumposter123@protonmail.com's avatar

Dude the Roman's literally made entire abortifacts go extinct during gate empire.

Law Order's avatar

Marko is spot on. I have much more sympathy for the grandmother who is killed by a magical super predator (who was not aborted) than I have over any abortion.

https://dianey.substack.com/p/republicans-should-love-abortion?r=5bocjg&utm_medium=ios

stealthbomber10's avatar

I’d honestly forgotten about this issue. That’s how irrelevant it is in the current discourse.

Scott Greer's avatar

I think the biggest sign of how irrelevant it is that i never hear about it from the anti-Trumpers on the Right. They try to find everything wrong with the admin, even on lib issues. But abortion is never brought up.

William Hickey's avatar

Scott’s blunt assessment of the Pro-Life movement illuminates one of the reasons why Matt Walsh, a fervent anti-abortion absolutist who wanted to make the issue the dividing line of those who were conservative and those who were not, has recently said he’s grown weary of politics and will concentrate more on cultural issues.

ReactionaryFuturist's avatar

Or maybe killing babies is just… wrong?

Alexander Turok's avatar

Anti-aborts only have one argument.

It doesn't convince people, they repeat it, it doesn't convince people, they repeat it.

Marko's avatar

ALL LIVES MATTER

forumposter123@protonmail.com's avatar

There are two kinds of people on this issue:

1) Someone that wants to vote Republican, but needs a permission structure to swallow things about the GOP they don't like. You know that nice church lady that doesn't want to say "I want the criminals locked up". She does, but she doesn't want to say it. So she says she's "pro-life." You don't have to justify pro-life to anyone.

2) There are many religious people that think Christianity means giving infinite free stuff to poor people, especially single moms. But they had a hard time squaring their charity with the Democrats being the baby murdering party.

Now they want to campaign on the idea that the only way to make the public "pro-life" is to give poor single moms so much free welfare that they won't desire abortions anymore.

William Hickey's avatar

White Americans don’t like abortion for ourselves, but we know it is sometimes a necessary choice for us to prosper and flourish.

For example, a “surprise” pregnancy late in a woman’s childbearing years can disrupt a family which had settled on 3 or 4 kids a decade and a half before.

And then there’s the very real danger in our current American “mosaic” that your college girl daughter Melissa discovers that she made a bad mistake with that very nice young man Jamal and faces, in the words of our 44th President, “being punished with a baby.”

EliezerYudnerdsky's avatar

Imagine thinking this sort of garbage could pass as anything remotely right wing.

Alexander Turok's avatar

It's what actually existing Right-wing Americans want and not your anti-birth control nonsense.

amin's avatar

Yeah and trooning children ONLY with parental consent lmao

Alexander Turok's avatar

Back in reality bans on so-called "gender affirming care" for minors are widely popular including among moderates and even some Democrats.

amin's avatar

Yeah, let's allow killing babies because your daughter is a whore. Are you actually insane?

Captain Farrell's avatar

Imagine thinking what you “settled on” and “disrupting a rhythm” justifies the slaughter of innocents

Steven Work's avatar

Yes, when I make a mistake, I hire a Witch to torture someone to death after duct-taping their mouth, so their screams are never heard.

The tractor that rips off the limbs is the way it's best done. And after, I drink myself nearly to death regularly so for a few hours I can seem to have not done it.

I mean - What!? You expect me to have to face up to my mistake when a simple murder will 'fix' it?

What!? You I look like a man? Oh, yes, I suppose I am. So, SCOTUS didn't rule that the whims of men are more valuable than a life? Isn't that sexist - I thought we had equal rights!

God Bless., Steve

Alexander Turok's avatar

I can't tell if this is resentment of men or resentment of women.

Steven Work's avatar

It's not sex specific because the unborn isn't.

You understand that the unborn goes through something like this, right?

I guess they don't teach it in school - that should be required right before puberty, with pictures.

Do you know how many brothers and sisters, aunts and uncles that should be here and are not?

They might be in your dreams, watch for them - they live in places where different choices were made.

God Bless., Steve

Ben Mordecai's avatar

I am strongly pro-life, but I simply do not know the path forward. This is a cultural problem that our nation has so thoroughly embraced this evil and can't tell women "no" about their bad behavior ever. I don't even know what strategic politicking would look like on the pro-life issue. Maybe just attack and demonize abortion providers only.

Captain Farrell's avatar

Totally agreed. We can’t say no to women and things like abortion, contraception, etc are downstream of this. The only answer to enforcing female behavior is patriarchy and that would never win at a ballot box it will only be implemented as a last resort.

Audrey Horne's avatar

is the point of conservatism to win scott

Aristides's avatar

I basically consider the Pro Lifers to have won, so there’s no reason to give the organizations any more money. I wanted Roe overturned and got that. Success! The number of weeks can be figured out by the states and we can move on to all the other issues. But it’s weird to say that it was bad for them that they won with Dobbs. That only makes sense if you think their goal was to raise money and complain in perpetuity without ever changing any thing.

forumposter123@protonmail.com's avatar

There are a bunch of pro-lifers who thought that if Roe was overturned abortion would be made mostly illegal. They were wrong.

Steven Work's avatar

50 years! It shouldn't have taken 10, except there is something evil controlling our federal government, and those that control the people.

I decided a while ago that the leaders of those largest Pro-Life groups were Pro unborn torture for Demons, and were actively taking all the resourses (money, volunteers, political capital) and .. destroying it, to keep it away from those that would have moved the right people and ended it before a decade. It wasn't constitutional - and that should have been enough, but .. it moved around the world because we were 'the leader of the free-world' and something like 3+ billion murders world-wide in only those countries that followed and-or pressured by 'Population .. killers' and 'Health care' advocates.

May God have mercy!

Marko's avatar

Pro-life (and pro-choice) are just Boomer issues. It is fading as fast as the Boomers themselves.

When you have a large cohort of white ladies who are 1 part Feminist and 1 part Christian, you're going to get political drama. It's been decades since any of these ladies have been laid.

Doesn't stop them from manning the old battlements though. I wonder when the last Temperance Movement enjoyer died?

Steven Work's avatar

Yes, it's like, why bother?

Like - Nearly 3 years of clear open televised Gaza Genocide became another Holocaust, and did you say something like:

"look - it was never 'the Jews' it was that group - the Zionists that used the Nation to hide in and to take the punishment - like a demon that possessed the body Nation, all those centuries."

and then "Oh look, another cat video!!"

Don't be too ashamed, if your old enough to be raise back when Shame was a real thing, the world is broken - and that is part of the horror of that ruling.

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If you get up the energy to click that mouse button - this address what you just shown us, and in case you didn't know - it was not normal until - did you hear that another day in our Sate, another 50 of our unborn silently screaming babies tortured by witches - well, it's legal so that okay.

The manuscript is in PDF form and may be downloaded from here:

https://stevenwork.substack.com/i/195365129/developing-incomplete-peer-review-manuscript

Have a look and discover some of the answers to a lot of questions we all have .. like why we are sliding non-stop ever deeper into flaming Clown-World Hell?

William's avatar

The amount of screeching here (and I say this as a faithful Christian who is pro-life) from pro-lifers who completely missed the point is astounding. This is POLITICS, and no matter how abhorrent the social ill is, if you can’t rally the public behind you, YOU NEED TO RETOOL YOUR STRATEGY. Y’all sound like trans activists or John Brown, who went down in history as a certified Retard and accomplished nothing.

This is actually why I hate how Lila Rose and her Live Action grift go after stupid targets like condoms and copper IUDs in their “pro-life” stuff. Like they really think they can convince the U.S. electorate to jump immediately to adopting Humanae Vitae when 98 PERCENT of Catholic women in America use contraceptives?

ryan thompson's avatar

They may be irrelevant politically, but one could hardly say the same for the issue consequentially. The only reason crime went down in the 90s was because there wasn't a new stock of young black males to replace the violent cohort that came to the fore in the 60s/70s as they began to age out. Considering, even with mobility and migration, how many blacks still live in areas that have now recriminalized abortion at the state level, we could be right back where we were in the 70s and 80s in the not so distant future. We're dealing with a population without the foresight or oftentimes wherewithal to seek out this procedure in a locale where it is still permitted. Get ready for the ebony flood of mayhem and death. Greer himself has pointed this out, which is why this article is surprising. But as the rise of Tucker and the Trump haters demonstrates, don't take anything for granted. Thanks again, tradboys.

Dutchman8686's avatar

IMO the 2nd and 3rd order cultural effects of allowing abortion are more consequential than the benefits of limiting certain demographics. Consequence-free sex props up the feminism and egalitarianism that are destroying our society. The "lawnmower" effect of abortion on the drop in violent crime rates (assuming it isn't just a correlation fallacy, I'm skeptical...) was only necessary in the first place because Democrat policies had already destroyed the Black family structure.

ryan thompson's avatar

You're overthinking this. More abortion means less blacks. Less blacks means less violence and less whites being brutally murdered. Claiming that social consequences and muh bad egalitarianism matters more than whites being murdered is about the most high class problem anti white stance I can imagine. Which goes to my point about trad boys (and boy do you sound like one). They would rather have their trad theocracy even if it means a situation that is objectively worse for white people. You echo the PRATT that blacks are only like this because muh culture when (as Andrew Branca and Jared Taylor, among others, have discussed) the brutality of these beasts was something that had been highlighted for ages and was being talked about in the 20th century prior to the pernicious 'social engineering'. To the extent that it was less bad, it had nothing to do with Christianity. It was because whites were more willing to minecraft them. To the extent one wants to credit that to christianity, that would have to be set alongside all of the integration, black violence, busing and diversity that has been justified in the name of christianity, if not as a direct result of its teachings. And you can add to that all of the murder, mayhem facilitated by having more blacks in our midst thanks to the moral majority because abortion bad or something. The latest incarnation of this pernicious idiocy is amy coney barrett. Adopted Hatians, unwilling to do her part as a justice to curb the demographic transformation, but like you, she has her finger on the pulse of the decadence and social degeneracy ruining our society. Give...me...a...break...

I don't mean to be rude and you sound like a cool dude, but it hits me on two levels. The personal level because I like me some decadence. But then on a large level because it isn't as if I can put my personal feelings aside and say the war on decadence has dome some amazing good for white people. It hasn't. And what do we see with the online right? It has moved away from racial issues and sure enough, it's a waste of time and is at best indifferent to white interests if not outright hostile I just have no god damn time. If someone wants to devote their life to stopping me from watching porn and smoking weed...fine...I hate that but there isn't much I can do to stop them...but they can quit trying to justify it in the name of 'but I'm helping the white race and that's what you want!' because it isn't.

Sandro's avatar

Only jesus freaks make a huge deal about abortion.

Steven Work's avatar

You understand what the unborn goes through? And the mother and father, if he even knows at the time. If not, when he gets older, he will likely feel there is something missing, but he won't be able to put his fingers on it, or hug and say, "How was your Hun!"

I guess they don't teach sex-ed in school.

Or is this because they are mostly women and often, they keep it secret because it upsets the little darling. Women! Some will watch their kid get run-over because little Jonny gets unset when he can't go anywhere he wants, and dad got thrown out because she was not singing with fairy knomes all the time. But part of his duty is to protect them from the 'safety' 'comfort' of their mothers.

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Do you know how many brothers and sisters, aunts and uncles that should be here and are not?

They might be in your dreams, watch for them - they live in places where different choices were made. Say Hello, for me.

God Bless., Steve

Gaddius's avatar

Yeah the “abolitionist” crowd was really getting on my nerves in the run up to 24. “Abolition” is the only way for pro-lifers to seem dissident, edgy & “based”. They wouldn’t dare touch race, immigration, JQ etc. with a ten foot pole. So they’re boxed in to screaming about “END ABORTION NOW” to try and remain relevant.

They should’ve took the W with Dobbs and focused on the state and local levels, but naturally in the age of engagement they have to lean into being caricatures of the movement.

Law Order's avatar

Diane Yap (aka critical rice theory on Substack) has done some great work on showing how being pro abortion and supporting abortion up until the moment of birth can lead to a decrease in crime in the long-term.

https://dianey.substack.com/p/republicans-should-love-abortion?r=5bocjg&utm_medium=ios

Arm Day Enjoyer's avatar

I hate that bitch but shes right...

Captain Farrell's avatar

The entire premise is question begging

Law Order's avatar

It is not circular reasoning though. If the super predators who are killing elderly woman were aborted (look at the attached link of a elderly woman trying to help her friend receive cancer treatment for stage 4 cancer before being carjacked, robbed, and murdered), the super predators would not be able to commit these heinous acts of violence.

https://nypost.com/2026/03/09/us-news/texas-woman-shot-dead-by-teen-carjacker-on-way-to-visit-sick-friend/

Otmar Milan's avatar

Abortion is also like the safest right wing position to have because pro choice people realize that this is a tough question with a lot of moral subjectivity.

Also birth control and medication have proliferated and the fact is many people just don't see that as equivalent to abortion and it's header to rally people around that

William Hickey's avatar

Anti-abortion is actually a very paradoxical choice for right wingers who vote Republican.

A huge majority of right wingers are adamant about slowing, stopping and/or turning back the waves of non-whites who have been flooding into our country and fundamentally transforming it, as Obama promised and his minions in the Biden administration delivered. Right wingers know that these “New Americans” will not only displace them, but they will also empower the progressive Democratic Party to continue its blatant anti-white policies.

Responding to their right wing voters, Republican states have been fighting for stricter immigration enforcement, an “80-20” issue. But at the same time abortion foes and Christian fanatics have sought to spend Republican political capital on stricter laws for abortion, a “40-60” issue even within the GOP caucus.

This is doubly counter-productive. Not only does anti-abortion lose support for Republicans by having them champion an unpopular policy, but in most of the “red” (Southern) states abortions are predominantly performed on black and non-white women, so restricting access objectively increases the future non-white (or Democratic) vote.

There’s the paradox: Right wingers who favor tough abortion restrictions in Southern states might as well be letting the Third Worlders in!

forumposter123@protonmail.com's avatar

I think what people want is for abortion (and its entire cluster of sexual ethics) to lose status amongst people like themselves (white middle class people). And to raise the status of parents and large families.

But you can't run on "I want a cultural vibe change for people like me." So they are trying to outlaw a practice that mostly involved democrats killing their own children. If successful in preventing them it will just make things worse.

William Hickey's avatar

Precisely. For decades abortion absolutists and other religious-based conservatives have been hoping and praying for a religious revival in America. They’ve looked back on the Great Awakenings of the 18th and 19th Centuries and promoted that dream as the solution to all our cultural and moral problems.

As if “religious revival” was a political program.

It did allow them, however, to avoid the hard practical decisions about race and ethnic differences their ancestors didn’t run from. It was just another cope, another aspect of their lack of realistic racial understanding.

Ironically, America did have the other Great Awakening the impotent religious conservatives were awaiting. It just happened to be of the new pseudo-religion of Woke. It started in the 90s as the old Moral Majority collapsed and culminated in St George Floyd during 2020.

Be careful what you wish for.

forumposter123@protonmail.com's avatar

As noted earlier abortion also served as a way for "nice" church people to support the right without admitting to "not nice" reasons. You didn't have to say "I want to lock the criminals up" or "there should be some limit on welfare", you could just say "I'm pro-life".

William Hickey's avatar

I saw that and you’re right.

There is another favorite bit of religious conservative “copium” when it comes to black crime and dysfunction in America’s inner cities which I’m sure you’ll recognize.

Fatherlessness. It’s been a constant excuse since the heydays of Bill Bennett and Thomas Sowell. It answers everything. Unfortunately and once again, there’s no actual political program that anyone wants to propose and stand behind to go with this diagnosis, so why are we talking about it on conservative sites?

To avoid dealing with race, that’s why.

Alexander Turok's avatar

>Abortion is also like the safest right wing position to have because pro choice people realize that this is a tough question with a lot of moral subjectivity.

LOL. Abortion opponents have lost referendums in Kansas, Missouri, and Kentucky.

SomeReader's avatar

I, too, always think the American hangups about abortions are over, only to be surprised again and again that this issue continues to resurface and subsume this country, contrary to my hopes.

Steven Work's avatar

Yes, those lifeguards keep jumping in and saving people - Don't they understand that the person is just going to die in - well - maybe another 50 years. Why bother!

You realize that some of us are old enough to remember when people had .. something .. what's it called?