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stealthbomber10's avatar

I’d honestly forgotten about this issue. That’s how irrelevant it is in the current discourse.

Scott Greer's avatar

I think the biggest sign of how irrelevant it is that i never hear about it from the anti-Trumpers on the Right. They try to find everything wrong with the admin, even on lib issues. But abortion is never brought up.

William Hickey's avatar

Scott’s blunt assessment of the Pro-Life movement illuminates one of the reasons why Matt Walsh, a fervent anti-abortion absolutist who wanted to make the issue the dividing line of those who were conservative and those who were not, has recently said he’s grown weary of politics and will concentrate more on cultural issues.

Westy's avatar

It's such a travesty, the country's complacency with Abortion. Something so abhorrent and terrible, waved off and not even looked upon with even skepticism

Marko's avatar

Abortion is not even in the top 100 of national problems. Never was. Abortion isn't even mentioned in the Bible, beyond "don't kill". Imagine being all bent out of shape about the murders of 30-year-olds.

EliezerYudnerdsky's avatar

Abortion and birth control are what allow a culture of casual sex, female emancipation and the need for immigrants to prop up asset prices with a cratering birth rate. Nevermind the grave immorality of killing babies because you wanted to cum. Some sick shit Marko.

Westy's avatar
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Abortion reflects the soul and morals of the country. Where we approve or just don't care about the murder of the unborn. That the innocent are cast off because of inconvenience or that people don't want to take care of a down syndrome child (for example). Abortion is killing, so it is absolutely banned by the Bible. Not to mention God's understanding and caring for the unborn: “Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, and before you were born I consecrated you" Jeremiah 1:5

Steven Work's avatar

And do you think that only mothers and their babies (and the father) are harmed?

Take a good look at some of the real damage that has been invisible because after a few generations - even sexually mutilation older children is less moving than one of those viral cat video or turning to the news to find out how many IMF sniped shot toddlers.

Yawn!!

forumposter123@protonmail.com's avatar

There are two kinds of people on this issue:

1) Someone that wants to vote Republican, but needs a permission structure to swallow things about the GOP they don't like. You know that nice church lady that doesn't want to say "I want the criminals locked up". She does, but she doesn't want to say it. So she says she's "pro-life." You don't have to justify pro-life to anyone.

2) There are many religious people that think Christianity means giving infinite free stuff to poor people, especially single moms. But they had a hard time squaring their charity with the Democrats being the baby murdering party.

Now they want to campaign on the idea that the only way to make the public "pro-life" is to give poor single moms so much free welfare that they won't desire abortions anymore.

William Hickey's avatar

White Americans don’t like abortion for ourselves, but we know it is sometimes a necessary choice for us to prosper and flourish.

For example, a “surprise” pregnancy late in a woman’s childbearing years can disrupt a family which had settled on 3 or 4 kids a decade and a half before.

And then there’s the very real danger in our current American “mosaic” that your college girl daughter Melissa discovers that she made a bad mistake with that very nice young man Jamal and faces, in the words of our 44th President, “being punished with a baby.”

EliezerYudnerdsky's avatar

Imagine thinking this sort of garbage could pass as anything remotely right wing.

Steven Work's avatar

Yes, when I make a mistake, I hire a Witch to torture someone to death after duct-taping their mouth, so their screams are never heard.

The tractor that rips off the limbs is the way it's best done. And after, I drink myself nearly to death regularly so for a few hours I can seem to have not done it.

I mean - What!? You expect me to have to face up to my mistake when a simple murder will 'fix' it?

What!? You I look like a man? Oh, yes, I suppose I am. So, SCOTUS didn't rule that the whims of men are more valuable than a life? Isn't that sexist - I thought we had equal rights!

God Bless., Steve

Otmar Milan's avatar

Abortion is also like the safest right wing position to have because pro choice people realize that this is a tough question with a lot of moral subjectivity.

Also birth control and medication have proliferated and the fact is many people just don't see that as equivalent to abortion and it's header to rally people around that

Steven Work's avatar

I decided a while ago that the 46 years (or whatever it was at the time) of not being effective in any way, and so much in terms of resources political capital, donations, volunteer effort was not only ineffective, it seem to be effective in gathering up all the significant donation money include the $3 from grammma from her SS pension that is so low that she stop filling medication, but that cause is worth the sacrifice, and all those volunteers that started out bright eyed and ready to save some babies, and after a while the start missing scheduled days and one day is clear - they quit, and all the hope and sacrifice was yet another one that didn't go to a group that actually did more than call for money.

How much money was taken from the real groups that would have taken you $100 and got $500 of effective movement? How many volunteers will not only do THAT again, but had bund away the Hope and Belief that a difference is possible - that hope burned away as easily are that $3 and your $100 you were able to scrape together because it was for saving babies!

Why was something so clearly wrong in law, and so clearly wrong in bad effects to not only the mothers that thought they paid witches to not be pregnant and had to face that they thought they would get a "you're not a mother end" when the really got is that "you're a mother that killed you baby - a Blessing that God sent not only you, but to the world" end?

So, what is the answer when such a mistake that never should have go on longer than a decade - go 5 decades? The horrible results that happed not only here but around the world because we were "The Leader of the Free-World" after all. 3+ billion tortured to death silently screaming is one estimate.

I basically decided that those major groups were collecting the resource to do nothing but collect any of the resources that might have been used by effective groups that actually actively did whatever that case that SCOTUS overturned, and the manuscript has some scarry information about an effect that no one publish about - the harm is not simply murdered babies and traumatized mothers (and fathers).

Controlled opposition - the leadership (like so many betraying institutions and governments) were in place to prevent changes that might have occurred if they weren't burning away the donation money, the volunteers, the belief that change could happen in the population, and it didn't until everyone is so broken that almost (and too soon) 3 years of clear open televised Genocide became another Holocaust, and "look - it was never 'the Jews' it was that group - the Zionists that used the Nation to hide in and to take the punishment - like a demon that possessed the body Nation, all those centuries." and then "Oh look, another cat video!!"

Hint - the damage? you and I carry part of the harm the broke the mind of the world.

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Well, I submitted a manuscript I hope will be published after successful peer review, and it is powerful because it defines what so many people haven't been able to and so have been helpless to suffer it's increasing harms and damage not only to us in the USA, not only to all the Western nations but most of the world.

The manuscript is in PDF form and may be downloaded from here:

https://stevenwork.substack.com/i/195365129/developing-incomplete-peer-review-manuscript

Have a look and discover some of the answers to a lot of questions we all have .. like why we are sliding non-stop ever deeper into flaming Clown-World Hell?

If you don't like it, well - you F-ing do better! please .. please someone explain it! But since no one else could - I had too figure it out and then I could explain it.

Feedback welcome.

God Bless., Steve

Marko's avatar

Pro-life (and pro-choice) are just Boomer issues. It is fading as fast as the Boomers themselves.

When you have a large cohort of white ladies who are 1 part Feminist and 1 part Christian, you're going to get political drama. It's been decades since any of these ladies have been laid.

Doesn't stop them from manning the old battlements though. I wonder when the last Temperance Movement enjoyer died?

Steven Work's avatar

Yes, it's like, why bother?

Like - Nearly 3 years of clear open televised Gaza Genocide became another Holocaust, and did you say something like:

"look - it was never 'the Jews' it was that group - the Zionists that used the Nation to hide in and to take the punishment - like a demon that possessed the body Nation, all those centuries."

and then "Oh look, another cat video!!"

Don't be too ashamed, if your old enough to be raise back when Shame was a real thing, the world is broken - and that is part of the horror of that ruling.

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If you get up the energy to click that mouse button - this address what you just shown us, and in case you didn't know - it was not normal until - did you hear that another day in our Sate, another 50 of our unborn silently screaming babies tortured by witches - well, it's legal so that okay.

The manuscript is in PDF form and may be downloaded from here:

https://stevenwork.substack.com/i/195365129/developing-incomplete-peer-review-manuscript

Have a look and discover some of the answers to a lot of questions we all have .. like why we are sliding non-stop ever deeper into flaming Clown-World Hell?

Steven Work's avatar

Appendix A: Why Nearly Fifty Years Passed Before Dobbs

Multi-Causal Analysis of the Delay Between Roe and Dobbs

Prefatory Note on Method

The question is not what caused the delay in any single domain, but why the convergence

of constitutional objection, democratic opposition, and documented social harm failed to produce

a corrective for five decades. The answer is structural, multi-layered, and in several dimensions

deliberately maintained.

I. The Constitutional Architecture Roe Erected Against Its Own Correction

The first and most immediate structural obstacle was Roe’s own doctrinal design. The

ruling located abortion rights in constitutional “penumbras and emanations,” creating a weak

foundation that paradoxically became harder to overturn because of stare decisis. In Planned

Parenthood v. Casey (1992), the Court preserved Roe largely on institutional legitimacy grounds

rather than constitutional correctness.

The plurality argued that overturning Roe after society had organized itself around it

would damage the Court’s legitimacy. The normalization of the wrong became the reason it

could not be corrected. The precedent became self-protecting.

II. The Republican Establishment’s Strategic Non-Correction

The unresolved existence of Roe produced extraordinary fundraising and turnout value

for the Republican establishment. It allowed campaigning on abortion while governing primarily

for corporate economic interests. Across multiple Republican administrations, Roe was never

treated as the primary structural goal it was rhetorically presented to be.

The judicial appointment record reflects this. Of eight Supreme Court justices appointed

by Republican presidents between 1973 and 2016, only three proved reliable votes to overturn

Roe. This pattern strongly suggests institutional preference for preserving Roe as a permanent

mobilization issue.

III. Corporate Capture of the Political Process

Major corporations overwhelmingly opposed overturning Roe and openly funded

abortion access, employee travel, advocacy organizations, and legal infrastructure. Their interests

aligned with labor-force maximization, political stability, and ideological signaling.

Corporate lobbying, campaign finance, and legal institutional funding created persistent

structural pressure against appointing justices willing to reverse Roe. The legal profession itself

became deeply aligned with the Roe consensus.

IV. Professional Class Silence

Law schools, bar associations, medical organizations, journalism, and academia treated

opposition to Roe as professionally illegitimate. Constitutional objections were framed as

extremism rather than serious jurisprudence.

This produced a managed silence: citizens privately opposed abortion but faced

overwhelming institutional pressure against public dissent. Judicial nominees, senators, and

presidents operated within this environment.

V. Why the Dobbs Coalition Took Until 2022

Overturning Roe required an unusually specific alignment of personnel and events:

Gorsuch, Kavanaugh, and Barrett; the Senate blocking Garland; the right case arriving at the

right time; and Justice Ginsburg’s replacement before the coalition disappeared.

Chief Justice Roberts himself would not overturn Roe and preferred only narrowing it.

The actual Dobbs majority required a 5–4 coalition without him.

VI. The Self-Protecting Nature of Normalized Wrong

As moral normalization deepened, each generation inherited weaker resistance. Lawyers,

judges, journalists, and politicians were formed entirely inside the post-Roe consensus.

Corrective institutions had to be rebuilt almost from nothing.

The deeper the normalization, the harder the correction became.

VII. Summary

The fifty-year delay resulted from converging forces:

Stare decisis strengthened as normalization deepened.

Republican institutional incentives favored permanent non-resolution.

Corporate capture opposed genuine reversal.

Professional class consensus suppressed constitutional dissent.

Generational normalization weakened moral resistance.

Correction required extraordinary political contingency.

Judicial fiat had to be corrected by the same judicial mechanism that imposed it.

The delay was not accidental. It was structural.

Steven Work's avatar

Check out my other comment that motived me research more about it and basically decide that those major groups were collecting the resource to do nothing but collect any of the resources that might have been used by effective groups that actually actively did whatever that case that SCOTUS overturned, and the manuscript has some scarry information about an effect that no one publish about - the harm is not simply murdered babies and traumatized mothers (and fathers).

Controlled opposition - the leadership (like so many betraying institutions and governments) were in place to prevent changes that might have occurred if they weren't burning away the donation money, the volunteers, the belief that change could happen in the population, and it didn't until everyone is so broken that almost (and too soon) 3 years of clear open televised Genocide became another Holocaust, and "look - it was never 'the Jews' it was that group - the Zionists that used the Nation to hide in and to take the punishment - like a demon that possessed the body Nation, all those centuries." and then "Oh look, another cat video!!"

Hint - the damage? you and I carry part of the harm the broke the mind of the world.

God Bless., Steve

SomeReader's avatar

I, too, always think the American hangups about abortions are over, only to be surprised again and again that this issue continues to resurface and subsume this country, contrary to my hopes.

Steven Work's avatar

Yes, those lifeguards keep jumping in and saving people - Don't they understand that the person is just going to die in - well - maybe another 50 years. Why bother!

You realize that some of us are old enough to remember when people had .. something .. what's it called?