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Daniel Lee's avatar

1. The Online Right is a ghetto and the obsession over this movie was embarrassing. It just got so whiney and repetitive.

2. The monoculture meant everyone knew about big things regardless of interest.

The English Patient is mostly forgotten now but it won best picture and made $200m in the 90s. If you didn't care about movies you couldn't avoid hearing about it since mainstream media in general would be talking about it from time to time during its production, release and eventual oscar wins, read the papers, watch the news, listen to the radio it was talked about. Now a billion dollar movie just comes and goes like Deadpool 3 and if you don't care about movies there's a ton of media options that you can be into that won't be about that at all. A middlebrow mid budget, moderate success oscar movie today isn't going to be a plot point on Seinfeld because Seinfeld (big beloved sitcoms) aren't a thing anymore.

Liam's avatar

This movie sucks ass and Christopher Nolan should be deported for it

ryan thompson's avatar

I would say if anything, the obsession didn't go far enough. The movie would be drab and depressing even if it was true to the spirit of the original poem. It is truly one of the most awful depressing things ever made. Not enough bad can be said about it. I don't know what kind of primo weed Greer is smoking, but I don't think I'd ever be high enough to think the action in this film actually looked good. It'd be one thing if this was just some lame feminist novel or based on some Alan Moore GN, but this is the foundation stone of western culture. You've really gotta be an asshole on this one.

With regard to this monoculture stuff, I do think Scott's a little hypocritical. He would attack people like me for saying 'let's just watch gonzo porn, jackass and smoke weed' yet he thinks we can build a monoculture around sports gambling and shitty epics? Okay...

Otmar Milan's avatar

You think a culture that smokes weed and watches porn with no limit should care about the Odyssey why ?

ryan thompson's avatar

False dilemma..."you can only like a story that celebrates greek history, myth, masculinity unless you're a no nut straight edge" lol whatever tard. Guess we'd have to explain away all the anti porn scolds and reefer madness hysterics who have no interest in culture or history, some of whom probably liked this crap. My guess is you won't. Just like you didn't explain how Thomas Massie never justified his lies, just like you pretend deportations were higher under Biden and that the H1b program has actually expanded. Whatever Tucker and the demons who live rent free in your head told you to think. Michael Tracy took you epstein conspiracy moral panicans to the absolute woodshed in that recent debate with the dry kunt raven haired curly cue harpy whoeverthefuck.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgN0R3Skocc

But you're independent minded because Trump zionist. If your going to be wicked delusional, you might as well have some fun. I doubt that's possible in your case, because your sphincter muscle probably hasn't unclenched since the day you were born. Grand imperial wizard insane clown party straight up juggahoe otmar milan. It has a nice ring.

Law Order's avatar

Ben Shapiro's main goal in politics is to push unpopular wars and foreign intervention in the Middle East that only older Republicans support. Those Republicans will be dying over the next few decades. Shapiro should be appealing to right wingers under 40. Shapiro should be comparing Israel's fight for survival to Rhodesia and South Africa. Shapiro should be far to the right of Matt Walsh. Instead many times Shapiro sounds like a center left liberal on these issues. He is alienating the one group that he will need the most in the future.

Tom Swift's avatar

Whoever begins to notice the moral equivalency of Rhodesia and Israel will accomplish wonders beyond imagination.

Charlie Cauldron's avatar

I'm glad someone else noticed Ryan Gosling is the only white guy in Project Hail Mary. I think this might be Hollywood's new play. They figured out they can jam whatever subversive garbage they like into a movie and men will gobble it up... so long as we get our white male lead.

Liam's avatar

Project Hail Mary was good though. 90% of the movie is in space with only Ryan Gosling and an alien so it’s not that crazy for him to be the only white guy

Charlie Cauldron's avatar

I'm obviously Not talking about the scenes when he is the only person in the movie, I'm talking about the scenes on Earth where we are imagining a future where the greatest scientific minds are assembled and the only white guy is a science teacher brought in as a guinea pig (read the book).

It's all right to like the movie, I liked it too. It's also all right to notice things. The movie absolutely presents a post-white male future. It's the liberal white woman's dream: Women and DEIs hand in hand in harmony, not a troublesome toxic white male in sight. You're allowed to notice it and still enjoy the heckin' science with the rock guy. Just because the ideology doesn't eat up a lot of screen time doesn't mean it isn't what the film is about.

Charlie Cauldron's avatar

It's really good. I enjoyed it. I liked the book too. But it is absolutely woke feminist bacon-joke "Let's do some heckin' science" slop. In the book our hero literally gives a feminist lecture when another crew member makes the point that since there are more male scientists than women, it wouldn't make sense to have gender parity on the team.

And that's FINE. Movies like The Odyssey and Hail Mary are a return to old progressive Hollywood, when the woke was subtext instead of text. Go back and watch an episode of Star Trek TNG. I love that show. It's still not. They just did a better job of entertaining you.

That's the real complaint about the last decade, and movies like The Last Jedi. The subtext became text. The background assumptions became scolding lectures.

LK Rurick's avatar

I really didn’t expect you to take such offense to my facetious claim of wearing a ridiculous outfit like that for all occasions.

Law Order's avatar

Christopher Nolan has extreme capital with the public because of The Dark Knight, Inception, and Oppenheimer. Nolan could make Michael Brown The Movie, and it would have a $200 million+ opening weekend. The to-go waitress at the Tex-Mex restaurant I went to last weekend looked a million times more like Helen of Troy than Lupita Nyong'o.

..'s avatar

We don't need Flock cameras for "law and order". You know and I know exactly what has to be done to reduce crime; arrest and imprison. They aren't exactly criminal masterminds trying to hide their lawlessness that requires a security state.

Also, what shorts are acceptable? Rhodies? Jorts?

Scott Greer's avatar

You're able to arrest and imprison criminals when you have them on tape. Greater surveillance has helped reduce crime. But it comes an issue when these cameras are primarily used for petty traffic offenses, which is already overmonitored

You can just wear normal shorts without unnecessary pockets

..'s avatar

I don't think we need Flock cameras with the existing saturation of cell phones, Ring cameras, police cams, and businesses' security cameras to help reduce crime. I think I just am put off by intrusive Band Aid solutions (and who knows what else Flock plans with the data) to issues that can be fixed fairly easily.

The real problem is soft on crime policies which somehow remain popular. For example, making examples out of participants in so-called Teen Takeovers or shoplifting would be fairly easy given all the existing video on social media or store cameras, but no one does anything. You actually can incarcerate yourself out of these problems.

I also don't think we have to worry too much about Flock even being used for petty offenses in cities. Never forget how many traffic cams got taken down due to "inequity", which goes back to my point about soft on crime. If Flocks then end up then being installed in nice suburbs, it's just more anarchotyranny and not a fan.

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LK Rurick's avatar

He said no cargo shorts, but whether Cargo pants are Greerhead approved is up to speculation

L'Assistant's avatar

I was in a black neighborhood during the World Cup final and was surprised to hear audible shouts coming out of nearby bars when Spain scored, plus some woman celebrating in her car once Argentina finally lost. When I was getting ice cream there, the guy at the counter had the game playing on his phone, although he was mulatto and could have been Dominican or something. Of all the races in America I'd've expected them to be the most tuned out.

Mark's avatar

They were likely Dominicans imo esp if you live in the NE it’s 100% certain

Law Order's avatar

Black neighborhoods in Seattle? I know Seattle is full of White communists and Asian tech workers, but surprised to hear that Blacks neighborhoods exist in Seattle.

Otmar Milan's avatar

The right squandered its cultural moment.

Trump has recently claimed that China stole the 2020 election and that Cuba is funding terrorism in America. Think about those claims: they would have dominated the news cycle not long ago, yet now many people barely react.

The reality is that many voters are pissed about the economy. Rising costs, financial strain, and Trump's corruption and self-serving behavior is frustrating people.

Dmitry's avatar

If Odyssey does end up being successful, then it has got more to do with bipartisan effort of 2010s to turn a pseudointellectual slop artist like Nolan into a “genius of cinema”. Hence you have 80iq gymcels on Tiktok discussing how profound his movies are for reasons of vanity

L'Assistant's avatar

I was in a black neighborhood during the World Cup final and was surprised to hear audible shouts coming out of nearby bars when Spain scored, plus some woman celebrating in her car once Argentina finally lost. When I was getting ice cream there, the guy at the counter had the game playing on his phone, although he was mulatto and could have been Dominican or something. Of all the races in America I'd've expected them to be the most tuned out.

BH's avatar

What are Scott greers thoughts on acid washed boxy waffle tees

Westy's avatar

project hail Mary is a really good movie and worth a watch. for sure better than The Martian

Charlie Cauldron's avatar

I thought Scott's Odyssey review was one of the few that didn't just rage about Elliot Page, but actually diagnosed a much more subversive blank slate feminist message in it.

But it's good to remember: That's been EVERY movie. EVERY video game. EVERY comic book and TV show. For the last twelve years. The Odyssey didn't invent this subversion. Hollywood, big tech, legacy media -- the subversion is the point. The progressive operating system is blank slateism: Not that we have equal opportunity. That we are all the same -- interchangable widgets. And any proof of innate genetic biodiversity is actually proof of some invisible societal construct that's keeping the numbers from aligning in the progressives' favor. More funding! Did the funding not change the numbers? That isn't proof of genetic biodiversity! It's proof there's STILL MORE societal construct we haven't gotten to yet! Look! There must be more patriarchy hiding under the sink! More funding!

That's where the entertainment comes in. Here we can have female chessmasters and latina nuclear physicists and gay black female astronauts, and we don't have to worry about any troublesome real numbers. And so if you're able to look at real numbers and notice how modern intersectional feminism doesn't reflect biological reality, people point to movies and TV shows to prove that you're wrong. And if you point out they're just make-believe, you get the "Oh come on, it's got a CYCLOPS in it, why does this other thing bother you so much?"

So it's important to remember, the majority of Western culture ignoring intersectional blank slateist feminism in its blockbusters isn't new. It's proof that Hollywood is working as intended again. It's really only been in the last decade, when the propaganda got so blatant that even regular people started noticing it. The Last Jedi is probably the perfect example of this: Its politics are functionally interchangeable from The Odyssey's. It was just so OBVIOUS about it, the subtext became text.

So Hollywood got some talented white guys back in the room and figured out how to make it subtext again, and those of us who notice statistical reality can go back to being gaslit. I know it sucks that the world didn't have a big wake-up moment to intersectional feminism, like at the end of They Live, but it's healthy to remember nothing broke here. We're just back to the old, pre-2014 woke, when it was subtext instead of text, and you could go watch that great movie with three cool action scenes and that leading man everyone likes, and sure maybe he got rescued by women a lot, and sure they seemed to be always right, and yeah, maybe it took the message of destiny in the book it was based on that nobody read and turned it into another blank slate equity fantasy, but remember when that TRUCK FLIPPED OVER? Did you guys see when the ROOM TURNED AROUND WHILE THEY WERE FIGHTING?

Charlie Cauldron's avatar

The best "Is this woke" yardstick I use is: Does DESTINY exist in this universe? Or is there universal eligibility?

The Campbellian hero's journey myth invokes destiny. There is a sword in a stone. Only one person (let’s be honest, a man) can pull it from that stone. Our king might walk among us, unrecognized. That lowly ranger might secretly be Aragorn, until he reveals his sword that was broken and emerges as our champion. That filthy stable boy called Wart might secretly be King Arthur, ready to pull the sword from the stone that no other hands could move.

This is why Luke throwing his sword away in The Last Jedi is so subversive. It's why their stable boy using the force at the end is so subversive. Blank slateism treats us all as individual cogs: There IS no destiny. Any one of us could pull the sword from the stone, even a stable boy. Even a gay black woman stable boy constantly showing up our white male lead. If there’s nothing special about any of us, then literally anyone could be a Jedi. It's a completely different moral structure.

Or look how in feminist subversion films, the male protagonist is punished for not trusting authority. The literal message of these films is that nobody is special, and the only people we should be following are EXPERTS.

"The king may be among us, unrecognized" preserves destiny. The hero appears ordinary because his identity has been concealed. But that doesn't make him interchangeable. King Arthur does not become king because literally any stable boy could pull the sword. The sword reveals that the lowly stable boy WAS ALWAYS Arthur. WAS ALWAYS Luke Skywalker. WAS ALWAYS Aragorn.

Feminist storytelling hates this. It exists to destroy the mythic.

"Any one of us could be the king" is an epistemological statement: we do not know where the chosen person is hiding. "Any one of us could be A king" is an ideological subversion. If everyone is the chosen one, no one has been chosen.

Rowhouse's avatar

Sorry if you said already, but since Book event in New York Thursday the 23rd, is the schedule any different this week? Still mailbag Wednesday, but maybe just one article and no IQ supplement this week? If this is answered at the end of the podcast, I just wrote this comment too early haha.