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Tim Condon's avatar

Trump is a hero. People see what they want to see in their heroes.

ReactionaryFuturist's avatar

The real question is how is Trump any different than the pre-Trump GOP at this point.

Scott Greer's avatar

It's easy to imagine this when you've only paid attention to politics since 2021.

Otmar Milan's avatar

He isn't meaningfully different

Jorj Bush's avatar

People too easily forget what the pre-Trump GOP was

DFG's avatar

“Trumpism is about democracy or it’s about nothing,” he says,” It’s about nothing but Trump. That’s all that matters to him. He’ll do nothing that requires sacrifice on his part. He’s in it for the money and the glory. Isn’t that completely fucking obvious by now?

Otmar Milan's avatar

The worst part Trump demands so much sacrifice from his supporters the country and even the war when he has made it clear he would never do the same for you.

TradeMark's avatar

Weird, I seem to remember him almost taking a bullet for us.

Max Remington's avatar

LOL He almost took a bullet for himself. Quit debasing yourself over him.

Tiggle's avatar

you actually took your time to write this article on a website nobody reads, in a political climate reliant on short form videos and humor to win younger voters / sentiment.

This is why the culture war is being lost, because the smartest people are sitting here doing basically nothing with their time.

I'm here because i'm cleaning out my 14,000 unread emails.

Gaddius's avatar

“Why aren’t you posting clickbait slop like everyone else, Scott?”

Lmaoooooo dude 🤣

Dmitry's avatar

“One is the old guard that wishes to restore the pre-Trump GOP. A few of these types are openly anti-Trump, but most wish to imagine Trump as an embodiment of their conservatism. They are eager to see Trump leave office as they will be allowed to control the GOP once more.”

That “Old Guard” got everything that they wanted and more from Trump and Trump delivered on precisely zero promises of his campaign. I don’t care who exactly controls the GOP when there are objectively no differences beyond empty rhetoric Trump peddles to his base which you for some reason keep returning to in your articles as if its something relevant (“but he said this based thing once, why is Online Right not happy?”). I don’t know why you keep ignoring the elephant in the room which is the embarassingly low number of deportations. If anything, Old Guard controlling GOP “once more” could only mean *less* foreign wars and maybe even E-verify.

Scott Greer's avatar

It seems you consume a lot of fake news. Trump has accomplished the first significant decline in the foreign-born population in over 50 years. New illegal immigration is practically zero since the few thousand who come every month are all deported. It's far harder to get a green card, H1b, and student visa now. There have been drops in all three categories. Refugee admissions are at an all-time low and the only ones allowed in are white.

Deportation should be higher, but historically-low illegal crossings doesn't give Trump the easy advantage that Biden and Obama had of boosting numbers by counting pushbacks as deportations.

People imagine Trump has allowed in millions of Indians and only does theatrical ICE raids because they're addicted to blackpills and get their news from Pakistani content farmers pretending to be American nationalists

Dmitry's avatar

“First significant decline in foreign born population” could be deporting 1 person from 4-10 million that Biden has imported, it’s still a decline. That says nothing. I guess “significant” is quite an arbitrary criteria.

Campaign promise was the wall, aka a better long term protection from illegal migration, not just temporarily closed borders. Presense of a wall would mean a much bigger political damage to any Democrat president who would try and purposely open the gates because that would be seen by the public as an action rather than a mere absense of an action (latter is how Biden got most of illegal migrants).

But even disregarding the wall, and rating Trump’s border protection as 10/10 (which is not even that far from the truth), the main problem is math. Since you say I consume fake news, enlighted me what is the current projection for total deportations after 4 years? What % of illegal immigration that Biden let in will it cancel out? I don’t care about theatrics, thats why I don’t care about all the internet slop administration is manufacturing to appeal to the Online Right and gullible RW zoomers, what I care about are the totals, aka actual numbers. Btw, ICE raids, unlike slogans and words on the internet and interviews, are not theatrics, they do have to be executed sometimes because they are effective — but now, Trump seems to be done with them as well.

I don’t know about the current status on H1Bs and green cards, what you say may as well be true but you again use vague criteria like “far harder to get” and “drops” instead of just numbers to compare to Biden or Obama. Before Trump took office there were far more people with H1B visa than there were green cards available to them (hence the back-log) so even with less H1Bs issued per year, green card limit will still be reached, although I guess it will maybe lead one day to that number dropping below the limit, but I doubt it.

There is also a lot of talk from Trump about “deporting illegal farm workers so they can come legally with a visa” which is one step short of an amnesty, only difference being they get a non-immigrant visa (hopefully).

Bottom line is if I am wrong about any of this, its because I am relying on Trump’s rhetoric rather than facts, which is why my main point is that we should look at actual numbers and not use vague assessments like “well he is tougher on immigration than Biden and even Bush!” etc

Alexander Turok's avatar

Most of the conspiracy accounts ranting about Trump's betrayal will be back on the Trump planation within a few months. It's like the drunk vowing to go cold turkey, only to succumb to the inevitable relapse. The audience gets what the audience wants, both for practical monetary grift reasons, but also because conspiratorial populism says that the salt-of-the-Earth know best, and the salt-of-the-Earth love Donald Trump.

Daniel's avatar

Yeah, this is basically true. For Trump’s base, his persona transcends any specific policy program. To them, he is the great man of history, with the boldness and courage to slice through the gordian knots that bound past conservative leaders and made them helpless against the left’s assault on all things good and decent. On policy, they don’t have very strong opinions; they just trust his judgement.

Auguste Meyrat's avatar

Sheesh. This too shall pass. Iran will work out. The isolationists and populists just don’t have much to contribute here, so they whine and declare this is the end. Did they really think we’d be talking about trans kids and leftist elites this whole time?

Dragan Veselinovic's avatar

There is a chilling historical parallel here today that most Americans are too terrified to acknowledge. Given the hundreds of thousands of innocents vaporized by U.S. ordnance, the moral blindness of American institutions and large swaths of its public mirrors the psychological state of Germany under the Nazi regime.

In both instances, a very clever and otherwise accomplished people failed to stop—and often cheered for—genocide and mass slaughter carried out in their name. This is not merely political apathy; it is a profound cognitive dissonance where the ‘exceptionalism’ of the state serves as a blindfold, allowing a supposedly free people to remain silent as their tax dollars fund the next My Lai, the next Abu Ghraib, or the next incinerated Iranian school and hospital.

TradeMark's avatar

None of that is chilling to me, 'el dragon'

Max Remington's avatar

Trumpism will remain, but it won't have much staying power. It's largely a failed movement, hardly comparable with the success of Reaganism. If we judge him against foreign right-wing leaders, even there Trumpism is a failure. Fujimorism, Uribeism, all were more successful than Trumpism. Unlike Trump, these leaders were actually popular and achieved major tangible policy successes. Trump's one big policy victory is closing the border. Other than that, what's he done besides "own the libs?"

So sure, Trumpism will be around for a while. It'll be a whole lot of screaming into the void.

Kat D's avatar

Maybe you don’t know or can’t remember but white boomers and silents were still a massive majority who grew up watching the gipper at the movies. I couldn’t stand him (still can’t even as I switched sides but for different reasons) but my parents adored him. There will be no more like him or Trump because the populace was different and both men were different eras although culturally similar. I don’t see that being our future or even similar to it.

Clementine's avatar

> MAGA Republicans have strongly supported Trump’s interventions, to the chagrin of commentators who claim to speak for them.

This seems like tautology. Insofar as that survey is otherwise valid, and I'm skeptical of that, "2016 Trump Primary Voters" seems like a much better demographic to poll. Insofar as MAGA is meaningful as a unique phrase, it means "people who backed Trump's rise to power".

I really do like Trump, don't mistake me for one of his detractors. His coming down that escalator saved the American right from certain extinction, as the censorship of 2017-2020 would've obliterated a movement with no central Schelling point and no defining event to bring /pol/'s nascent cultural awakening to the masses beforehand. But this war was almost purpose-built to destroy his legacy. We can be thankful that he destroyed the Overton Window before it did so.

NT's avatar

If a requirement for Trumpism is Trump as President then its hard expiration date is 01/20/2029, less than three years from now.

Otmar Milan's avatar

Yes it is Scott wrap it up. Trump went back on his word everyone in this comment section is disagreeing with you.

The American right needs to drop Trump. I am not saying vote for the democrats or any other party just condemn Trump, don't vote for him if he runs again or anyone he endorses.

Scott Greer's avatar

You've posted this same comment to all my articles for the past 6 months. You have no alternative to Trump besides posting this reply and pretending there's a white nationalist faction in american politics

Argaius's avatar

Scott, how do you view the J6 riots then? For all accounts this precisely illustrated genuine motivated resistance against the non democratic (constitutional) civil rights "deep state" that Caldwell mentiones and that is also SYNONYMOUS with woke and pro immigration (pre 2016 this also included Bush et al). There aren't any foreign policy riots. Mind you the J6 riot is completely pure "Trumpian" because he personally pardoned them all.

Jonnymac's avatar

They may have been "genuinely motivated" but it was motivation by Trump to protect Trump. Their motivations were based on fabrications and many of them knew that and did it anyway... Again, because Trump. Zero J6 insurrectionists give a wit about democracy.

tony's avatar

WHY does @joekent16jan19 think IRAN is not a THREAT having Missiles and Drones in Venezuela ?????

The American People need to understand this and its not like this is classified intel , but rather NOT Reported Properly !!!!!

Neutralizing Iran’s Military Footprint in Venezuela

https://www.securefreesociety.org/research/neutralizing-iran-military-footprint-in-venezuela/

@TheMilitaryShow; Sinister Truth Behind Iran’s DARK Operations Inside Venezuela

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lR_O3GaUSE