I would be more sympathetic to Scott's argument here and more willing to dismiss Rufo were it not for the giant elephant in the room. Namely, the infighting which helped to open up the space for the left/woke/floyd/biden counter attack via Covid, rioting, open border and economic ruination. 2020 happened for many reasons, but primary among them was this idea that it was fruitless to corral the right because it was as the wind or the sea. Well, how'd that work out? Rufo's right if you want to avoid that happening again, and as we saw with the Biden brown flood, we can't really afford for that to happen again, whether the online right wants to touch grass and get their sheyat together or not. Rufo's idea of 'controlling the right' has some similarities with my own (I don't think either or us want AV laws and the JQ stuff has generally become unhelpful at this point) although I imagine he would only go so far on race realism. That's a problem, and the lines Rufo's drawn might lay fencing for a gate which is too narrow but given where we've been in the recent past, I'd say he has the right idea. How the right treated each other towards the end of Trump part 1 was at least as important as anything the opposition did. With more significant pro white accomplishments achieved and a more reliable chief executive, I'm not sure now is the time to throw caution to the wind and have 'the talk' about Israel or the Christian nationalist revival which, if implemented, would likely suck and do very little for white people. Whether or not Nixon is the model going forward, given his own limitations and the differences between the two historical epochs (which Greer rightly points out) is, as Dieter from Sprockets might say, 'An ant farm of a different color'. One things for sure, unlike so many keyboard warriors, both Rufo and Nixon understand that power is what matters, not principles, ideology or sky castles. And I think that's an excellent start.
I strongly, strongly disagree. When you support controlling or marshaling rhetoric you find unpalatable you have gone to the dark (ldissipate. Period. These people are tired of feeling controlled and silenced. If their take is out of whack, and I believe it is, then free discussion will demonstrate that and their POV will naturally dissipate.
I do not agree with that either. I am safely esconced in the heart of conservatism. The only Fuentes/Far Right/OMG!!!-they are-destroying-the-GOP hysteria I hear is from people who say they have the well-being of the party in mind (this is not to doubt YOUR bona fides or sincerety in any way). But I think that is giving oxygen to a very small, very smoky, very damp brush fire. Which is the surest way to fan it into the forest fire you fear. Stop giving them mainstream attention and it will run its course. Same with Owens and Carlson and the Israel hysteria. When did we become so afraid of words? It is the Harry Potterification of reason with he/that which cannot be named.
Boris Johnson was the 'British Nixon'... but I don't mean that as a compliment. I mean he wasted a realignment, betrayed those constituencies who had broken for his party for the first time, governed as a complete liberal, but his slight dissident energy wasn't enough for a Deep State establishment that wanted to bring him down, which he made easy for them due to avoidable corruption scandal based on their own personal vanity.
The GOP is toast. They are failing to deliver on basic governance in any significant way over Biden and Trump has been busy insulting a large segment of his base to boot.
The US has a wealth and income distribution problem, has had it for a long time and it is the reason why politics continues to destabilize. The ruling class (on both sides of the aisle) is also corrupt beyond repair. What some small corners of the internet want or don't want is immaterial to the fact that the system is broken in a fashion that makes it more broken with every passing year. Will eventually come to a head.
Arguing about messaging is just rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.
"The GOP is toast" very likely true in the long term and that, coupled with melanin removal and the emergence of a new alternative party are both necessary developments long term. "They are failing to deliver on basic governance in any significant way over Biden" This is monumentally wrong. Lots of deportations. Ignoring catch and release and pretending Obama was better is ridiculous. Or claiming there's no difference when massive numbers of people were coming in every month under Biden. Even people who claimed to be on our side were saying for years that the border crisis and illegal immigration were insoluble. Wrong. Free speech and holding Trump's feat to the fire is important but it isn't the end all and be all and in my experience, a lot of the people trying to outflank Trump just flat out don't care about demographics (MTG, Fuentes) and they're quite vocal about it. Big red flag.
I wouldn't compare Vance to Nixon because we don't need to help the Left attach boogeymen to any more right-wing figures...Hitler, Enoch Powell, Nixon, Trump.
Vance is Vance. Nixon was a grouchy reactionary weirdo and Vance is a slick and engaging quasi-radical.
I would be more sympathetic to Scott's argument here and more willing to dismiss Rufo were it not for the giant elephant in the room. Namely, the infighting which helped to open up the space for the left/woke/floyd/biden counter attack via Covid, rioting, open border and economic ruination. 2020 happened for many reasons, but primary among them was this idea that it was fruitless to corral the right because it was as the wind or the sea. Well, how'd that work out? Rufo's right if you want to avoid that happening again, and as we saw with the Biden brown flood, we can't really afford for that to happen again, whether the online right wants to touch grass and get their sheyat together or not. Rufo's idea of 'controlling the right' has some similarities with my own (I don't think either or us want AV laws and the JQ stuff has generally become unhelpful at this point) although I imagine he would only go so far on race realism. That's a problem, and the lines Rufo's drawn might lay fencing for a gate which is too narrow but given where we've been in the recent past, I'd say he has the right idea. How the right treated each other towards the end of Trump part 1 was at least as important as anything the opposition did. With more significant pro white accomplishments achieved and a more reliable chief executive, I'm not sure now is the time to throw caution to the wind and have 'the talk' about Israel or the Christian nationalist revival which, if implemented, would likely suck and do very little for white people. Whether or not Nixon is the model going forward, given his own limitations and the differences between the two historical epochs (which Greer rightly points out) is, as Dieter from Sprockets might say, 'An ant farm of a different color'. One things for sure, unlike so many keyboard warriors, both Rufo and Nixon understand that power is what matters, not principles, ideology or sky castles. And I think that's an excellent start.
I strongly, strongly disagree. When you support controlling or marshaling rhetoric you find unpalatable you have gone to the dark (ldissipate. Period. These people are tired of feeling controlled and silenced. If their take is out of whack, and I believe it is, then free discussion will demonstrate that and their POV will naturally dissipate.
A noble sentiment, but Fuentes and the bruh podcast sphere are taking over, and steering the discussion away from demographics, which is suicidal.
I do not agree with that either. I am safely esconced in the heart of conservatism. The only Fuentes/Far Right/OMG!!!-they are-destroying-the-GOP hysteria I hear is from people who say they have the well-being of the party in mind (this is not to doubt YOUR bona fides or sincerety in any way). But I think that is giving oxygen to a very small, very smoky, very damp brush fire. Which is the surest way to fan it into the forest fire you fear. Stop giving them mainstream attention and it will run its course. Same with Owens and Carlson and the Israel hysteria. When did we become so afraid of words? It is the Harry Potterification of reason with he/that which cannot be named.
Yes, Nixon is not a good model to emulate at all.
Boris Johnson was the 'British Nixon'... but I don't mean that as a compliment. I mean he wasted a realignment, betrayed those constituencies who had broken for his party for the first time, governed as a complete liberal, but his slight dissident energy wasn't enough for a Deep State establishment that wanted to bring him down, which he made easy for them due to avoidable corruption scandal based on their own personal vanity.
The GOP is toast. They are failing to deliver on basic governance in any significant way over Biden and Trump has been busy insulting a large segment of his base to boot.
The US has a wealth and income distribution problem, has had it for a long time and it is the reason why politics continues to destabilize. The ruling class (on both sides of the aisle) is also corrupt beyond repair. What some small corners of the internet want or don't want is immaterial to the fact that the system is broken in a fashion that makes it more broken with every passing year. Will eventually come to a head.
Arguing about messaging is just rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.
"The GOP is toast" very likely true in the long term and that, coupled with melanin removal and the emergence of a new alternative party are both necessary developments long term. "They are failing to deliver on basic governance in any significant way over Biden" This is monumentally wrong. Lots of deportations. Ignoring catch and release and pretending Obama was better is ridiculous. Or claiming there's no difference when massive numbers of people were coming in every month under Biden. Even people who claimed to be on our side were saying for years that the border crisis and illegal immigration were insoluble. Wrong. Free speech and holding Trump's feat to the fire is important but it isn't the end all and be all and in my experience, a lot of the people trying to outflank Trump just flat out don't care about demographics (MTG, Fuentes) and they're quite vocal about it. Big red flag.
Most people ought to know who Rufo works for by now, so this should not surprise them in the slightest. He needs to be purged from the ‘right wing’.
Vance lives or dies by if Trump's second term goes well.
I am gonna be honest I think we shouldn't put all our eggs in one basket and we on the dissident right need a plant to move on without Trump.
I wouldn't compare Vance to Nixon because we don't need to help the Left attach boogeymen to any more right-wing figures...Hitler, Enoch Powell, Nixon, Trump.
Vance is Vance. Nixon was a grouchy reactionary weirdo and Vance is a slick and engaging quasi-radical.