Really solid point about Vivek prioritizing influencer clout over actual governance. The polling data showing voters care about economy and healthcare but he's stuck debating online culture war stuff basically proves he's optimizing for X engagement rathr than winning elections. I've seen this happen with local politicians too where they get sucked into online debates that their actual constituants barely understand. The irony is he could just ignore the whole controversy and focus on substantive policy.
Polling aside, Vivek is making an error in going as far as dismissing the identity altogether. We can debate the accuracy of polling suggesting that people don’t think ancestry makes someone more American (I am also old stock and interact with a lot of normies - I suspect that polling is misleading) - but groups like DAR and CD have been around forever and interest in genealogy is a uniquely American fixation. It’d be easy enough for Vivek to take the same approach Italians have taken for decades and recognize that this identity exists and is valid but isn’t a threat to his. But he just couldn’t. And I do think that will have electoral consequences - especially if his opponent chooses to weaponize it effectively.
The only way this would work (with an actual mandate, as opposed to barely squeaking out a razor thin victory) would be for Vivek to declare a full throated mea culpa, to acknowledge that his comments about whites were actually much more in line with antifa than anything said by white identitarians, to change his position on H-1b and to praise the administration for actually scaling back the program. None of which is going to happen.
I see both sides. I agree with his interpretation of what it means to be American. But I also think that undeniably derives from old time western civilization. Which has a Judeo-Christian foundation and was born in Europe. The American influence mostly from merry old England which is why we speak the language we do and have the system of laws we do. So familarty with those old values probably gives one a leg up on being American. My personal test of whether or not you are American is how you define yourself. When asked your nationality do you respond "American" or "[whatever]-American"? Plain ole American passes, hyphenated does not. I am not a proponent of any type of dual citizenship. Any. The Anglo-Saxon reference made me giggle because they started as Saxons. Then had brutal contact with the Anglos resulting in the commingling. They came here to avoid the dastardly Normans. Everybody who came here, including the natives prior to the Europeans, came here from somewhere else, usually to avoid some unpleasantness there. All that being said, no one has the right to enter without permission. And some belief systems are inherently incompatible with American values.
A lot of Americans, myself included, are mutts. My father emigrated from Ireland in 1928. My mother's ancestors came over on the Mayflower. I'm proudly my father's son.
Such is the arrogance of this depraved infiltrator, that it never occurs to him that unwanted foreign arrivals such as himself DON’T GET TO DECIDE ANYTHING ABOUT THE AMERICAN CHARACTER.
It literally doesn’t apply to him. Clearly, he is incapable of understanding the history, culture and attitudes of heritage Americans, because he’s just not one of us. He doesn’t qualify and never will.
This is plainly obvious to everyone but Vivek, because his hubris, deceit and greed blinds him to how totally DESPISED he and his kind have become.
Fuck off back to India, Vivek. You have no place here.
Your pieces of paper alleging citizenship and your superficial comprehension of American culture through the television count for NOTHING with us.
Leave while you still have attractive options from which to choose.
Really solid point about Vivek prioritizing influencer clout over actual governance. The polling data showing voters care about economy and healthcare but he's stuck debating online culture war stuff basically proves he's optimizing for X engagement rathr than winning elections. I've seen this happen with local politicians too where they get sucked into online debates that their actual constituants barely understand. The irony is he could just ignore the whole controversy and focus on substantive policy.
Polling aside, Vivek is making an error in going as far as dismissing the identity altogether. We can debate the accuracy of polling suggesting that people don’t think ancestry makes someone more American (I am also old stock and interact with a lot of normies - I suspect that polling is misleading) - but groups like DAR and CD have been around forever and interest in genealogy is a uniquely American fixation. It’d be easy enough for Vivek to take the same approach Italians have taken for decades and recognize that this identity exists and is valid but isn’t a threat to his. But he just couldn’t. And I do think that will have electoral consequences - especially if his opponent chooses to weaponize it effectively.
The only way this would work (with an actual mandate, as opposed to barely squeaking out a razor thin victory) would be for Vivek to declare a full throated mea culpa, to acknowledge that his comments about whites were actually much more in line with antifa than anything said by white identitarians, to change his position on H-1b and to praise the administration for actually scaling back the program. None of which is going to happen.
I see both sides. I agree with his interpretation of what it means to be American. But I also think that undeniably derives from old time western civilization. Which has a Judeo-Christian foundation and was born in Europe. The American influence mostly from merry old England which is why we speak the language we do and have the system of laws we do. So familarty with those old values probably gives one a leg up on being American. My personal test of whether or not you are American is how you define yourself. When asked your nationality do you respond "American" or "[whatever]-American"? Plain ole American passes, hyphenated does not. I am not a proponent of any type of dual citizenship. Any. The Anglo-Saxon reference made me giggle because they started as Saxons. Then had brutal contact with the Anglos resulting in the commingling. They came here to avoid the dastardly Normans. Everybody who came here, including the natives prior to the Europeans, came here from somewhere else, usually to avoid some unpleasantness there. All that being said, no one has the right to enter without permission. And some belief systems are inherently incompatible with American values.
A lot of Americans, myself included, are mutts. My father emigrated from Ireland in 1928. My mother's ancestors came over on the Mayflower. I'm proudly my father's son.
I think the heritage American thing is unnecessary we should focus on White solidarity.
It was a fight he didn't have to start, but he chose to anyway. Now the fight is on.
Such is the arrogance of this depraved infiltrator, that it never occurs to him that unwanted foreign arrivals such as himself DON’T GET TO DECIDE ANYTHING ABOUT THE AMERICAN CHARACTER.
It literally doesn’t apply to him. Clearly, he is incapable of understanding the history, culture and attitudes of heritage Americans, because he’s just not one of us. He doesn’t qualify and never will.
This is plainly obvious to everyone but Vivek, because his hubris, deceit and greed blinds him to how totally DESPISED he and his kind have become.
Fuck off back to India, Vivek. You have no place here.
Your pieces of paper alleging citizenship and your superficial comprehension of American culture through the television count for NOTHING with us.
Leave while you still have attractive options from which to choose.
How is he an infiltrator ? He is Trump's named pick for this race.