Really solid point about Vivek prioritizing influencer clout over actual governance. The polling data showing voters care about economy and healthcare but he's stuck debating online culture war stuff basically proves he's optimizing for X engagement rathr than winning elections. I've seen this happen with local politicians too where they get sucked into online debates that their actual constituants barely understand. The irony is he could just ignore the whole controversy and focus on substantive policy.
Vivek is extremely worried that he will be completely frozen out from becoming a leader on the Right in the future because extremely politically active 90s millennials and Gen Z on the Right make Donald Trump and Ron Desantis look like Karl Marx and Tanahesi Coates in comparison.
Polling aside, Vivek is making an error in going as far as dismissing the identity altogether. We can debate the accuracy of polling suggesting that people don’t think ancestry makes someone more American (I am also old stock and interact with a lot of normies - I suspect that polling is misleading) - but groups like DAR and CD have been around forever and interest in genealogy is a uniquely American fixation. It’d be easy enough for Vivek to take the same approach Italians have taken for decades and recognize that this identity exists and is valid but isn’t a threat to his. But he just couldn’t. And I do think that will have electoral consequences - especially if his opponent chooses to weaponize it effectively.
Hardly anyone under 65 join groups like the DAR. People do genealogy because they don't know who they are. They had to figure out they were British from 23&Me, which doesn't indicate a strong tie to heritage identity. Im not aware of any Italian candidates celebrating Heritage American identity on the campaign trail. The Democrat is not going to address this and the lone GOP challenger is going to lose by at leas 50 points.
Vivek made an entire X post about how white Americans were lazy and stupid and needed to be replaced by Asian grinds that study 23 hours a day and have no social lives that was viewed 125 million times.
This 'people are ignorant about attacks on their culture' trope may have been true in 2008, it is definitely not true in 2025. People will see Vivek's comments as an attack on native born Americans, not specifically 'white' Americans.
Bernie Moreno trailed in the polls against Sherrod Brown most of last year. He only caught up in the last month. Vance's polling in 2022 was also not stellar. It's usual for a non-incumbent Republican in Ohio to be in a dead heat. He's the presumed nominee due to Trump Republicans. It's the DeWine wing that primarily opposes him
Weird. One would expect the DeWine wing to be most enthusiastic about him — or even that they’re the reason he’s the pre-coronated nominee. Make it make sense.
Such is the arrogance of this depraved infiltrator, that it never occurs to him that unwanted foreign arrivals such as himself DON’T GET TO DECIDE ANYTHING ABOUT THE AMERICAN CHARACTER.
It literally doesn’t apply to him. Clearly, he is incapable of understanding the history, culture and attitudes of heritage Americans, because he’s just not one of us. He doesn’t qualify and never will.
This is plainly obvious to everyone but Vivek, because his hubris, deceit and greed blinds him to how totally DESPISED he and his kind have become.
Fuck off back to India, Vivek. You have no place here.
Your pieces of paper alleging citizenship and your superficial comprehension of American culture through the television count for NOTHING with us.
Leave while you still have attractive options from which to choose.
The only way this would work (with an actual mandate, as opposed to barely squeaking out a razor thin victory) would be for Vivek to declare a full throated mea culpa, to acknowledge that his comments about whites were actually much more in line with antifa than anything said by white identitarians, to change his position on H-1b and to praise the administration for actually scaling back the program. None of which is going to happen.
The author is dead wrong. The average American - and I mean people who think of themselves as nothing but American - know exactly what "Heritage American" means. It means American, period. There can be no compromise with creatures like Vivek Ramaswamy. He is an unwelcome foreigner, full stop. Indians started coming to this country in the 1990's because of the greed of our corporate "leaders" and the idiocy of our immigration laws. He needs to go back to India. As for being born in the U.S., as Wellington said, being born in a barn does not make you a horse. Enough of Indians, Somalis, and other shithole dwellers.
A lot of Americans, myself included, are mutts. My father emigrated from Ireland in 1928. My mother's ancestors came over on the Mayflower. I'm proudly my father's son.
I see both sides. I agree with his interpretation of what it means to be American. But I also think that undeniably derives from old time western civilization. Which has a Judeo-Christian foundation and was born in Europe. The American influence mostly from merry old England which is why we speak the language we do and have the system of laws we do. So familarty with those old values probably gives one a leg up on being American. My personal test of whether or not you are American is how you define yourself. When asked your nationality do you respond "American" or "[whatever]-American"? Plain ole American passes, hyphenated does not. I am not a proponent of any type of dual citizenship. Any. The Anglo-Saxon reference made me giggle because they started as Saxons. Then had brutal contact with the Anglos resulting in the commingling. They came here to avoid the dastardly Normans. Everybody who came here, including the natives prior to the Europeans, came here from somewhere else, usually to avoid some unpleasantness there. All that being said, no one has the right to enter without permission. And some belief systems are inherently incompatible with American values.
There is no such thing as "Judeo-Christian". There is "Christian" and "Judaism". They are separate religions. "Judeo-Christian" is basically the religious equivalent of trying to make the whole world American. All of our ideas tied to identity have been watered down.
There’s no “Judeo-Christian” history. Europe was Christian, and Judaism is a separate religion entirely. The term doesn’t even exist until the 19th century and it appears to be attempt to blend two different cultures and worldviews together is they are one. They are not.
By Christian, I mean people who believe that a man named Jesus who lived in 1st century Palestine was born as God and died to save the world. That is regardless of other considerations, such as the details of their theology or personal behavior. Modern Judaism is a direct rejection of that idea. "Judeo-Christian" makes about as much sense as "square circles". It's not anyone's particular fault modernly, as the term crept in the backdoor of our lexicon. But it is still non-sensical. People almost always mean Christian when they say "Judeo-Christian"
« Heritage American acts as a palatable euphemism for “white.” Saying only whites can be American makes people very uncomfortable. There’s a strong taboo against it. Heritage American sounds much nicer to normie ears. It allows for the White House to appeal to the concept in social media posts and prominent influencers to defend it. When asked to define it, its advocates can say it’s not a racial thing, but one based around heritage and culture. That’s far more appealing to regular conservatives than saying “white.” »
Everything on this controversy summarized in a nutshell
Things may have changed since the 60s but I doubt it. All the really crazy leader kids in the students for a democratic society were the scions of rich families. Not a drop of patriotism in any of them, just a willingness to do whatever it took to destroy the world and start again. I doubt if that has changed much since then.
Really solid point about Vivek prioritizing influencer clout over actual governance. The polling data showing voters care about economy and healthcare but he's stuck debating online culture war stuff basically proves he's optimizing for X engagement rathr than winning elections. I've seen this happen with local politicians too where they get sucked into online debates that their actual constituants barely understand. The irony is he could just ignore the whole controversy and focus on substantive policy.
Vivek is extremely worried that he will be completely frozen out from becoming a leader on the Right in the future because extremely politically active 90s millennials and Gen Z on the Right make Donald Trump and Ron Desantis look like Karl Marx and Tanahesi Coates in comparison.
Polling aside, Vivek is making an error in going as far as dismissing the identity altogether. We can debate the accuracy of polling suggesting that people don’t think ancestry makes someone more American (I am also old stock and interact with a lot of normies - I suspect that polling is misleading) - but groups like DAR and CD have been around forever and interest in genealogy is a uniquely American fixation. It’d be easy enough for Vivek to take the same approach Italians have taken for decades and recognize that this identity exists and is valid but isn’t a threat to his. But he just couldn’t. And I do think that will have electoral consequences - especially if his opponent chooses to weaponize it effectively.
Hardly anyone under 65 join groups like the DAR. People do genealogy because they don't know who they are. They had to figure out they were British from 23&Me, which doesn't indicate a strong tie to heritage identity. Im not aware of any Italian candidates celebrating Heritage American identity on the campaign trail. The Democrat is not going to address this and the lone GOP challenger is going to lose by at leas 50 points.
The GOP needs to stop running these novelty browns.
Vivek made an entire X post about how white Americans were lazy and stupid and needed to be replaced by Asian grinds that study 23 hours a day and have no social lives that was viewed 125 million times.
This 'people are ignorant about attacks on their culture' trope may have been true in 2008, it is definitely not true in 2025. People will see Vivek's comments as an attack on native born Americans, not specifically 'white' Americans.
Yes. The author of this piece failed to bring up how polls show him in a dead heat with the Democrat.
Meaning tens of thousands of Trump-supporting Ohioans will be staying home if he’s the R nominee.
There is a perception out there that he’ll turn Ohio into an Indian colony if he wins.
Bernie Moreno trailed in the polls against Sherrod Brown most of last year. He only caught up in the last month. Vance's polling in 2022 was also not stellar. It's usual for a non-incumbent Republican in Ohio to be in a dead heat. He's the presumed nominee due to Trump Republicans. It's the DeWine wing that primarily opposes him
Weird. One would expect the DeWine wing to be most enthusiastic about him — or even that they’re the reason he’s the pre-coronated nominee. Make it make sense.
Such is the arrogance of this depraved infiltrator, that it never occurs to him that unwanted foreign arrivals such as himself DON’T GET TO DECIDE ANYTHING ABOUT THE AMERICAN CHARACTER.
It literally doesn’t apply to him. Clearly, he is incapable of understanding the history, culture and attitudes of heritage Americans, because he’s just not one of us. He doesn’t qualify and never will.
This is plainly obvious to everyone but Vivek, because his hubris, deceit and greed blinds him to how totally DESPISED he and his kind have become.
Fuck off back to India, Vivek. You have no place here.
Your pieces of paper alleging citizenship and your superficial comprehension of American culture through the television count for NOTHING with us.
Leave while you still have attractive options from which to choose.
How is he an infiltrator ? He is Trump's named pick for this race.
The only way this would work (with an actual mandate, as opposed to barely squeaking out a razor thin victory) would be for Vivek to declare a full throated mea culpa, to acknowledge that his comments about whites were actually much more in line with antifa than anything said by white identitarians, to change his position on H-1b and to praise the administration for actually scaling back the program. None of which is going to happen.
The author is dead wrong. The average American - and I mean people who think of themselves as nothing but American - know exactly what "Heritage American" means. It means American, period. There can be no compromise with creatures like Vivek Ramaswamy. He is an unwelcome foreigner, full stop. Indians started coming to this country in the 1990's because of the greed of our corporate "leaders" and the idiocy of our immigration laws. He needs to go back to India. As for being born in the U.S., as Wellington said, being born in a barn does not make you a horse. Enough of Indians, Somalis, and other shithole dwellers.
I think the heritage American thing is unnecessary we should focus on White solidarity.
It was a fight he didn't have to start, but he chose to anyway. Now the fight is on.
Yep. It’s a weird fight to pick, which suggests ulterior motives and breeds distrust. Plus, he thinks most Americans are lazy and stupid.
A lot of Americans, myself included, are mutts. My father emigrated from Ireland in 1928. My mother's ancestors came over on the Mayflower. I'm proudly my father's son.
Yes, that effect why the American experiment will end in tears. It will be short lived, in comparison to other real nations.
I see both sides. I agree with his interpretation of what it means to be American. But I also think that undeniably derives from old time western civilization. Which has a Judeo-Christian foundation and was born in Europe. The American influence mostly from merry old England which is why we speak the language we do and have the system of laws we do. So familarty with those old values probably gives one a leg up on being American. My personal test of whether or not you are American is how you define yourself. When asked your nationality do you respond "American" or "[whatever]-American"? Plain ole American passes, hyphenated does not. I am not a proponent of any type of dual citizenship. Any. The Anglo-Saxon reference made me giggle because they started as Saxons. Then had brutal contact with the Anglos resulting in the commingling. They came here to avoid the dastardly Normans. Everybody who came here, including the natives prior to the Europeans, came here from somewhere else, usually to avoid some unpleasantness there. All that being said, no one has the right to enter without permission. And some belief systems are inherently incompatible with American values.
There is no such thing as "Judeo-Christian". There is "Christian" and "Judaism". They are separate religions. "Judeo-Christian" is basically the religious equivalent of trying to make the whole world American. All of our ideas tied to identity have been watered down.
It was a historical reference not a religious one so yes historically there is Judeo-Christian foundation.
There’s no “Judeo-Christian” history. Europe was Christian, and Judaism is a separate religion entirely. The term doesn’t even exist until the 19th century and it appears to be attempt to blend two different cultures and worldviews together is they are one. They are not.
What do you mean by Christian?
By Christian, I mean people who believe that a man named Jesus who lived in 1st century Palestine was born as God and died to save the world. That is regardless of other considerations, such as the details of their theology or personal behavior. Modern Judaism is a direct rejection of that idea. "Judeo-Christian" makes about as much sense as "square circles". It's not anyone's particular fault modernly, as the term crept in the backdoor of our lexicon. But it is still non-sensical. People almost always mean Christian when they say "Judeo-Christian"
This man called Jesus alleged to have lived in Judea in the first century was of what lineage and/or faith?
« Heritage American acts as a palatable euphemism for “white.” Saying only whites can be American makes people very uncomfortable. There’s a strong taboo against it. Heritage American sounds much nicer to normie ears. It allows for the White House to appeal to the concept in social media posts and prominent influencers to defend it. When asked to define it, its advocates can say it’s not a racial thing, but one based around heritage and culture. That’s far more appealing to regular conservatives than saying “white.” »
Everything on this controversy summarized in a nutshell
Things may have changed since the 60s but I doubt it. All the really crazy leader kids in the students for a democratic society were the scions of rich families. Not a drop of patriotism in any of them, just a willingness to do whatever it took to destroy the world and start again. I doubt if that has changed much since then.
I hope Vivek loses. The future is tribal.
He may lose for being weird. Ohioans aren't tribal enough currently to go find anyone from the Midwest instead.