Great Article. Did not make the connection that integration had already scarred America so much as to make us accepting of such levels of immigration. Well put as always Scott
On the subject of the tweet you posted from James Bacon about the RW echo chamber - I just hung up from a robocall from the RNC with a one-question poll about the 2024 nominee. After I answered the question there was a brief ramble about how much they appreciated my support, because without it they couldn't combat, and I quote, "Joe Biden's Marxist agenda." The echo chamber is real, it's a problem, and while it probably works for getting small dollar donations out of the likes of me, do they really think going into 2024 with "Joe Biden is a Marxist!" is going to work? Unfortunately, I think they do.
Scott what do you think about this so called “anti-CRT thing” Ron desantis and Christopher Rufo are engaging in down in The New College of Florida? Good or bad development?
I wonder if it’s also the fact that Americans are more susceptible to the “nation of immigrants” narrative than Europeans. Americans seem more willing than Europeans to accept legal and illegal immigration. Mass amnesty is not even in the policy Overton Window in Europe while in America it is frequently discussed. And even many conservatives are willing to accept mass immigration “as long as it’s LEGAL”. Maybe I am just too blackpilled
It plays a role. An earlier draft addressed that but I don't think it fully explains it. There's always been nativism in America so it's not like we've always welcomed mass immigration
I'm not American by birth, but my wife is, and this is exactly the situation in my experience. Normie Americans love the idea of the melting pot and Ellis Island because so many American idols are a product of it, and plus it just sounds nice to be welcoming and inclusive to anyone who wants to come to the greatest country in the world. In Europe, even those countries for whom being an ethnostate is very much out of fashion - most notably Germany - there is still a lingering sense that the nation and the state are two different things, that there is such as thing as the German people (for example) different from the German state, and that too much of a good thing might prove problematic. Even the Swedes are starting to realize this.
But I really think the biggest part is geography, as Scott alludes to. It cannot be overstated how empty and moribund the interior of this country is; and while this is in absolutely in no way advocating for its invasion and the replacement of its native stock, the most alive parts are those with large-scale Hispanic immigration. I have been on back roads in Oklahoma, between towns with more derelict homes than inhabited ones; I have been in West Texas towns where boarded-up stores still say "VIDEO ARCADE" above the door; and in these places the Mexican restaurant is booming and the clientele is 90% Hispanic. There are huge, huge, huge areas of the country, mostly rural, where virtually all of the life and commerce and education is in Spanish, and your average American has no idea they exist. This is to say nothing of the ten-to-an-apartment situation in the cities, or the all-Mexican apartment complexes in exurbs. It's all a very different situation to Rotterdam or Dusseldorf, where there are no suburbs (as we understand them) to hide in and so much of daily life takes place on pedestrian streets.
Well obviously some people care about the border issues but it was less of a factor than some hawks had hoped in the 2022 midterms.
One difference between Europe and USA you kind of glossed over though is that, imo, Latin Americans are "Western" in ways most of the Muslim and African migrants to Europe arent, and there is a high intermarriage rate already between Latinos and Anglos in the USA, which calls into question how meaningful those terms will be in 50 years no matter how much the Left (and to a lesser extent elements of the Right) incentives the distinction. If the demographics of the the millions coming across the southern border were more similar to the situation in Europe I think there would be a greater outcry here.
For the current iteration of "us", absolutely. Similar things occurred with the Irish and the Italians - even the Germans. For those hoping for an absolute status quo of Anglo-America (or what remains of it) there is no savior waiting in that wings. It'll be something different. Probably a bit more populist, a bit more socialist, and - ironically enough - a bit more racist.
I do wonder if in twenty years the metropolises of the west and southwest won't have the same color stratification as Mexico City, Guadalajara and Monterey, with the geography to go with it. There's nowhere in the US with precisely that balance yet, not even LA but I think we're well on the road to it.
Yes, Italian, German and Irish immigration negatively impacted America, but there's a MUCH larger difference between them & Hispanics. Too many on the DR have an unrealistic and rosy view of what Hispanics are actually like in this country.
As far as becoming a "bit more racist," that seems like wishcasting to me. The LA City Council racism controversy seems like a good example of this. A few Hispanics schemed to redistrict in favor of Hispanics at the expense of Blacks, all while denigrating the latter. It didn't turn into some based, epic racial struggle. Instead Hispanic activists just condemned Cedillo & de Leon, and dug in on Black Worship.
They're probably not going to bring the Casta system here, they're just going to make everything worse and assimilate in all the ways nobody wants.
Yeah, you're not wrong. I just think we'll see a lot more soft segregation. It'll be quiet, not le based racewar (which, to be clear, I don't regard as a wish-worthy scenario.)
This is definitely a factor. Even Westernized Muslims in places like Brussels tend to hunt in packs (as it were) and aggressively segregate. The de facto Hispanic segregation in much of the Southwest is more benign; it's not because they hate us, it's because they can't be bothered to learn English if there's no pressing need to do so.
I think that 2024 will be vastly different than 2016. I feel like the mood of the country is completely different from then.
In 2016 there was tons of anti-establishment energy and nationalist energy. Not to black-pill but since COVID everyone seems to want boring and generic politicians, like the midterms showed us, even among Republicans. Otherwise how do you explain bores like Brian Kemp and Joe Lombardo winning and ”based” candidates like Kari Lake and Blake Masters getting crushed?
Even if polls show Trump leading the primary and general now my gutfeel (for the better or worse) is that a lot of it is a 2008 Giuliani or 2022 red wave style mirage. Even if DeSantis falls apart and Trump still ends up winning the primary, I don’t see him winning the general but we’ll see if I am wrong.
I choose to be whitepilled! It's hard to predict 2024 right now. Imagine definitively concluding on 2020 in January 2019. So many things shaped that election that happened just a few months before the election
I am slowly coming around to this view. If the US is now just BLM, LGBT, antifa and anti-white racism, why am I worried that immigrants may come in and threaten this?
That's not entirely the point. The threat isn't to the GAE's worldview. The threat is to the native stock's standing in the society and the economy. This is very real regardless of how dissolute the worldview is, particularly when the immigrant stock adopts it. (Reminder: the Republicans have been crowing for literally decades now about how Hispanics are "natural conservatives." In their own countries, the Hispanics who emigrate to the US vote for socialism and progressivism with a Catholic aesthetic 90% of the time. The recent Republican successes in the Rio Grand Valley owe themselves to, yes, some shitlib overreach, but also the general failure of local pols to grease wheels effectively in an economic downturn.)
Large-scale Hispanic immigration won't make the electorate based. It'll just make it more susceptible to mass media propaganda and soundbites. If you want a source for this, go to any Latin American country except Chile, or on a good day Uruguay, and read any newspaper or talk to the first person you see on the street.
Great Article. Did not make the connection that integration had already scarred America so much as to make us accepting of such levels of immigration. Well put as always Scott
Thank you!
Loving the regular articles Scott, also 'flavor of the month issues' is a great way to put it.
Scott, great article.
On the subject of the tweet you posted from James Bacon about the RW echo chamber - I just hung up from a robocall from the RNC with a one-question poll about the 2024 nominee. After I answered the question there was a brief ramble about how much they appreciated my support, because without it they couldn't combat, and I quote, "Joe Biden's Marxist agenda." The echo chamber is real, it's a problem, and while it probably works for getting small dollar donations out of the likes of me, do they really think going into 2024 with "Joe Biden is a Marxist!" is going to work? Unfortunately, I think they do.
They love that stuff lmao
Scott what do you think about this so called “anti-CRT thing” Ron desantis and Christopher Rufo are engaging in down in The New College of Florida? Good or bad development?
I'll talk about this on the next podcast!
I wonder if it’s also the fact that Americans are more susceptible to the “nation of immigrants” narrative than Europeans. Americans seem more willing than Europeans to accept legal and illegal immigration. Mass amnesty is not even in the policy Overton Window in Europe while in America it is frequently discussed. And even many conservatives are willing to accept mass immigration “as long as it’s LEGAL”. Maybe I am just too blackpilled
It plays a role. An earlier draft addressed that but I don't think it fully explains it. There's always been nativism in America so it's not like we've always welcomed mass immigration
I'm not American by birth, but my wife is, and this is exactly the situation in my experience. Normie Americans love the idea of the melting pot and Ellis Island because so many American idols are a product of it, and plus it just sounds nice to be welcoming and inclusive to anyone who wants to come to the greatest country in the world. In Europe, even those countries for whom being an ethnostate is very much out of fashion - most notably Germany - there is still a lingering sense that the nation and the state are two different things, that there is such as thing as the German people (for example) different from the German state, and that too much of a good thing might prove problematic. Even the Swedes are starting to realize this.
But I really think the biggest part is geography, as Scott alludes to. It cannot be overstated how empty and moribund the interior of this country is; and while this is in absolutely in no way advocating for its invasion and the replacement of its native stock, the most alive parts are those with large-scale Hispanic immigration. I have been on back roads in Oklahoma, between towns with more derelict homes than inhabited ones; I have been in West Texas towns where boarded-up stores still say "VIDEO ARCADE" above the door; and in these places the Mexican restaurant is booming and the clientele is 90% Hispanic. There are huge, huge, huge areas of the country, mostly rural, where virtually all of the life and commerce and education is in Spanish, and your average American has no idea they exist. This is to say nothing of the ten-to-an-apartment situation in the cities, or the all-Mexican apartment complexes in exurbs. It's all a very different situation to Rotterdam or Dusseldorf, where there are no suburbs (as we understand them) to hide in and so much of daily life takes place on pedestrian streets.
Well obviously some people care about the border issues but it was less of a factor than some hawks had hoped in the 2022 midterms.
One difference between Europe and USA you kind of glossed over though is that, imo, Latin Americans are "Western" in ways most of the Muslim and African migrants to Europe arent, and there is a high intermarriage rate already between Latinos and Anglos in the USA, which calls into question how meaningful those terms will be in 50 years no matter how much the Left (and to a lesser extent elements of the Right) incentives the distinction. If the demographics of the the millions coming across the southern border were more similar to the situation in Europe I think there would be a greater outcry here.
Tbh if Hispanics are just absorbed into the "White" category, that's completely "It's over" territory for us...
For the current iteration of "us", absolutely. Similar things occurred with the Irish and the Italians - even the Germans. For those hoping for an absolute status quo of Anglo-America (or what remains of it) there is no savior waiting in that wings. It'll be something different. Probably a bit more populist, a bit more socialist, and - ironically enough - a bit more racist.
I do wonder if in twenty years the metropolises of the west and southwest won't have the same color stratification as Mexico City, Guadalajara and Monterey, with the geography to go with it. There's nowhere in the US with precisely that balance yet, not even LA but I think we're well on the road to it.
Yes, Italian, German and Irish immigration negatively impacted America, but there's a MUCH larger difference between them & Hispanics. Too many on the DR have an unrealistic and rosy view of what Hispanics are actually like in this country.
As far as becoming a "bit more racist," that seems like wishcasting to me. The LA City Council racism controversy seems like a good example of this. A few Hispanics schemed to redistrict in favor of Hispanics at the expense of Blacks, all while denigrating the latter. It didn't turn into some based, epic racial struggle. Instead Hispanic activists just condemned Cedillo & de Leon, and dug in on Black Worship.
They're probably not going to bring the Casta system here, they're just going to make everything worse and assimilate in all the ways nobody wants.
Yeah, you're not wrong. I just think we'll see a lot more soft segregation. It'll be quiet, not le based racewar (which, to be clear, I don't regard as a wish-worthy scenario.)
This is definitely a factor. Even Westernized Muslims in places like Brussels tend to hunt in packs (as it were) and aggressively segregate. The de facto Hispanic segregation in much of the Southwest is more benign; it's not because they hate us, it's because they can't be bothered to learn English if there's no pressing need to do so.
I think that 2024 will be vastly different than 2016. I feel like the mood of the country is completely different from then.
In 2016 there was tons of anti-establishment energy and nationalist energy. Not to black-pill but since COVID everyone seems to want boring and generic politicians, like the midterms showed us, even among Republicans. Otherwise how do you explain bores like Brian Kemp and Joe Lombardo winning and ”based” candidates like Kari Lake and Blake Masters getting crushed?
Even if polls show Trump leading the primary and general now my gutfeel (for the better or worse) is that a lot of it is a 2008 Giuliani or 2022 red wave style mirage. Even if DeSantis falls apart and Trump still ends up winning the primary, I don’t see him winning the general but we’ll see if I am wrong.
What is your opinion on this take?
I choose to be whitepilled! It's hard to predict 2024 right now. Imagine definitively concluding on 2020 in January 2019. So many things shaped that election that happened just a few months before the election
I don't have to read the article to completely disagree.
The issue is spiked by the MSM and ignored by the lame, impotent, pathetic Republican Party.
I'm surprised that you could get so interested in the thesis.
I've noticed the bias and blindsidedness of your youthful immaturity in some of your commentary, but I am a big fan.
I don't know where you were in 1970, but I was in Hq, 4th PSYOP GROUP, US ARMY, VIETNAM.
I am slowly coming around to this view. If the US is now just BLM, LGBT, antifa and anti-white racism, why am I worried that immigrants may come in and threaten this?
That's not entirely the point. The threat isn't to the GAE's worldview. The threat is to the native stock's standing in the society and the economy. This is very real regardless of how dissolute the worldview is, particularly when the immigrant stock adopts it. (Reminder: the Republicans have been crowing for literally decades now about how Hispanics are "natural conservatives." In their own countries, the Hispanics who emigrate to the US vote for socialism and progressivism with a Catholic aesthetic 90% of the time. The recent Republican successes in the Rio Grand Valley owe themselves to, yes, some shitlib overreach, but also the general failure of local pols to grease wheels effectively in an economic downturn.)
Large-scale Hispanic immigration won't make the electorate based. It'll just make it more susceptible to mass media propaganda and soundbites. If you want a source for this, go to any Latin American country except Chile, or on a good day Uruguay, and read any newspaper or talk to the first person you see on the street.