Pleased to announce I’ve officially joined the high cognitive elite at The Greer Academy. With most factions of the Right doing their best to alienate me, it’s refreshing to see at least one conservative voice that hasn’t lost its marbles.
The MAGA right would have State funding for exorcisms before stopping same-sex marriage. Hilarious!.......The Left Wing might fund both w tax-payer funds!............Thanks.
I don't know. For one, America's greater religiosity is likely a key component of US non-Hispanic White fertility remaining at 1.5 vs the native European average fertility rate hitting 1.3 (and dropping faster).
Also, America lacks rooted national/local identities like Europe that could form a strong foundation for a secular RW. Christianity (particularly low-church Protestantism) has been central to broad white American identity at least since the 19th Century.
And Hispanic conversion to low-church Protestantism has been pivotal to their rightward shift (Protestant Hispanics already vote majority Republican). If Brazilification is our future, it is important to note that the growing Brazilian Evangelical population was a major player in Bolsonaro's electoral coalition.
I'm not arguing any of this is necessarily ideal, but I do think it's hard to see an effective post-religious right emerging in the US anytime soon. The key will be trying to keep the religious element from being so weird or politically tone-deaf that it turns off other voter groups.
A) I doubt European right wing politics rely that much on regional identities. Occitan or Swabian identities all but died out maybe 150 years ago. The European right just views themselves through their own national identities. B) The secular right has existed since the inception of the United States. You could make the claim that the empirical and classically liberal tradition of Jefferson and Locke are secular versions of American right wing thought. A lot of American political philosophy wasn’t that based in religion or Christianity
Living aside the truth claims of demons, it’s objectively good politics to take about it. There are basically 8 factions in politics that matter, Aaron Sorkin Progressives, Bari Weiss disaffected liberals, Joe Rogan chuds, Dave Ramsey evangelical chuds, Peter Thiel transhumanist tech bros, Michael Knowles Trad Caths, Cofnas/Hanania HBD liberals, and Romney/Ryan Sweatervest Fiscal conservatives. Demon talk really only annoys Sorkin, Weiss, Cofnas, and Romney types. Sorkin and Romney are always going to oppose you so that leaves Cofnas and Weiss. They both think they should be leaders because of their elite opinions yet the progressives hate them and chuds do too so they are leaders without a people which makes them weak. Meanwhile vague demon talk that doesn’t make any moral claims about marriage or any other FanDuel American creature comforts unites both forms of chuds, TradCaths, and tech bros. Easily a winning proposition which is why they are doing it
I think you're correct with regards to local identities in Europe. My thought was more that Europeans have a much greater degree of rootedness which lends itself much better to a sort of blood and soil nationalism.
We as Americans are relatively rootless and mobile (for good and ill), so that sort of nationalism has rarely had great appeal. It doesn't mean we are identity-less or even completely divorced from blood and soil concepts, but our identity by necessity is wrapped up to a greater degree with ideological (and religious) conceptions.
As to your point B, someone on X put it very well I think that the Founding Fathers (even people like Jefferson I think) governed secularly from a fundamentally religious weltanschauung. The Left/modern American ruling class on the other hand is the exact opposite. They govern like religious zealots from a fundamentally secular worldview.
The reason why the DEMONS talk works is because it gives the Right, more comfortably the Christian Right, a moral argument. For as long as I remember, the Right was facts-n-logic while the Left went on various moral panics. To them, everything was couched in morality.
The right has only had 2 (two) moral crusades in the past 50 years: abortion and gun rights. Guess which two have been the only success stories? Certainly not muh budget.
With DEMONS, the Right now gets to treat politics the way the Left does: with moral certitude and to hell with your Sailer-like logic. Maybe this is is good for the short run, and bad for the long run.
The old religious right wasn't very facts or logic. Nor was the Paul Ryan wing, which treated free market economics as a magic cure for all ills, or neocons who saw future Americans in every part of the globe. The Right didn't treat guns as a moral crusade. It won that on treating it as a matter of individual liberty, which won over the public.
Demon posting riles up the base but makes us sound like homeless schizos to the general public.
I think the guns issue had a very large moral dimension - "protect my family" and so forth. With crime rising (to rightists) and fascists rising (to leftists) it becomes an easy sell.
Conservatives tried to do the liberty thing too, on another flank. Centrists and leftists just looked at all the gun crime and turned gun-grabbing into a moral argument while rightists were left sputtering about the Bill of Rights.
My theory is that all of the mega church theatrics was meant to drive away thinking right wing types who like their worship sober and contemplative. The spectacle of it all is very cringe not just to “the libs” but to anyone with any aesthetic sense in the very slightest.
I question your claim that the New Right seeks to merge identitarianism and social conservatism. Your comments about demons hint at the likelier path. Catholicism accommodates and provides context for demons. There is evil in the world. Catholicism is authoritarian in its organization but, being liberal and personalistic in its theology, it is the path of least resistance for the New Right.
'While a revival among the general public could happen in the future, trendlines suggest secularization will remain the norm.'
'It’s far more accepting of homosexuality than the Moral Majority.'
'The MAGA Religious Right, in a nutshell, is more eager to provide state funding to exorcists than to repeal gay marriage.'
These are the wishful musings of someone oblivious regarding the difference a Christian Martyr makes when ushering in a new epoch - someone who clearly yearns for the recent comforts of a very nearby yesterday.
Kirks outpouring of morning and grief is overwhelmingly CELEBRATORY - and in stark contrast to the Pagan's who happily post their - wait for it - DEMONIC glee online - and - LEADING THE ONCE NON-BELIEVING TO CHRIST - and more so - hardly limited to just America or even the Americas - but is international.
There has never been anything like this in the past 500 years. Not JFK. Not MLK. Not Bobby.
Obergefell...will...be...OVERTURNED. And. It won't be some 50-year struggle like Roe. Because the assertion that the country 'magically' became pro-gay around 2015 to embrace the hijacking of marriage - as the once did conception - by the men (and now women as well) in black robes on the Roberts so-called-Supreme-Court was just another gaslit lie from an increasingly shrinking MSM.
Transgenderism and the venal profit motive of Pharma nuked what was another 50-year effort to normalize homosexuality - and - despite the inroads into our politics and civil law - it's over.
Secularism is what is failing. Christianity is even making a comeback in now Islamic Europe.
I'd welcome a religious revival, but not like this: "It’s far more accepting of homosexuality... not really concerned with gambling or other vices...its followers indulge in outlandish behavior, such as swinging and drug use...pro-life, but doesn’t prioritize the issue."
So basically we get gaudy evangelical megachurch shows and demon rhetoric, but nothing of real substance.
“It is well said, in every sense, that a man’s religion is the chief fact with regard to him. As I take it, Universal History, the history of what man has accomplished in this world, is at bottom the History of the Great Men who have worked here.” — Thomas Carlyle (1795-1881)
I think the people talking about demons generally oppose gay marriage, drug use, swinging, etc. but they understand that it's more of a cultural than a political issue at the moment. The general public that is Christian in name only is the group that's more accepting, and it's a separate phenomenon from the online right or someone like Tucker.
Pleased to announce I’ve officially joined the high cognitive elite at The Greer Academy. With most factions of the Right doing their best to alienate me, it’s refreshing to see at least one conservative voice that hasn’t lost its marbles.
Welcome to the team!
The MAGA right would have State funding for exorcisms before stopping same-sex marriage. Hilarious!.......The Left Wing might fund both w tax-payer funds!............Thanks.
We need a true post-religious right.
I don't know. For one, America's greater religiosity is likely a key component of US non-Hispanic White fertility remaining at 1.5 vs the native European average fertility rate hitting 1.3 (and dropping faster).
Also, America lacks rooted national/local identities like Europe that could form a strong foundation for a secular RW. Christianity (particularly low-church Protestantism) has been central to broad white American identity at least since the 19th Century.
And Hispanic conversion to low-church Protestantism has been pivotal to their rightward shift (Protestant Hispanics already vote majority Republican). If Brazilification is our future, it is important to note that the growing Brazilian Evangelical population was a major player in Bolsonaro's electoral coalition.
I'm not arguing any of this is necessarily ideal, but I do think it's hard to see an effective post-religious right emerging in the US anytime soon. The key will be trying to keep the religious element from being so weird or politically tone-deaf that it turns off other voter groups.
A) I doubt European right wing politics rely that much on regional identities. Occitan or Swabian identities all but died out maybe 150 years ago. The European right just views themselves through their own national identities. B) The secular right has existed since the inception of the United States. You could make the claim that the empirical and classically liberal tradition of Jefferson and Locke are secular versions of American right wing thought. A lot of American political philosophy wasn’t that based in religion or Christianity
Living aside the truth claims of demons, it’s objectively good politics to take about it. There are basically 8 factions in politics that matter, Aaron Sorkin Progressives, Bari Weiss disaffected liberals, Joe Rogan chuds, Dave Ramsey evangelical chuds, Peter Thiel transhumanist tech bros, Michael Knowles Trad Caths, Cofnas/Hanania HBD liberals, and Romney/Ryan Sweatervest Fiscal conservatives. Demon talk really only annoys Sorkin, Weiss, Cofnas, and Romney types. Sorkin and Romney are always going to oppose you so that leaves Cofnas and Weiss. They both think they should be leaders because of their elite opinions yet the progressives hate them and chuds do too so they are leaders without a people which makes them weak. Meanwhile vague demon talk that doesn’t make any moral claims about marriage or any other FanDuel American creature comforts unites both forms of chuds, TradCaths, and tech bros. Easily a winning proposition which is why they are doing it
Great post. A comprehensive taxonomy of the current political landscape.
I think you're correct with regards to local identities in Europe. My thought was more that Europeans have a much greater degree of rootedness which lends itself much better to a sort of blood and soil nationalism.
We as Americans are relatively rootless and mobile (for good and ill), so that sort of nationalism has rarely had great appeal. It doesn't mean we are identity-less or even completely divorced from blood and soil concepts, but our identity by necessity is wrapped up to a greater degree with ideological (and religious) conceptions.
As to your point B, someone on X put it very well I think that the Founding Fathers (even people like Jefferson I think) governed secularly from a fundamentally religious weltanschauung. The Left/modern American ruling class on the other hand is the exact opposite. They govern like religious zealots from a fundamentally secular worldview.
There is no right wing without God. It all leads to crypto leftism. The reason why is left as an exercise to the reader.
No such thing
The reason why the DEMONS talk works is because it gives the Right, more comfortably the Christian Right, a moral argument. For as long as I remember, the Right was facts-n-logic while the Left went on various moral panics. To them, everything was couched in morality.
The right has only had 2 (two) moral crusades in the past 50 years: abortion and gun rights. Guess which two have been the only success stories? Certainly not muh budget.
With DEMONS, the Right now gets to treat politics the way the Left does: with moral certitude and to hell with your Sailer-like logic. Maybe this is is good for the short run, and bad for the long run.
The old religious right wasn't very facts or logic. Nor was the Paul Ryan wing, which treated free market economics as a magic cure for all ills, or neocons who saw future Americans in every part of the globe. The Right didn't treat guns as a moral crusade. It won that on treating it as a matter of individual liberty, which won over the public.
Demon posting riles up the base but makes us sound like homeless schizos to the general public.
I think the guns issue had a very large moral dimension - "protect my family" and so forth. With crime rising (to rightists) and fascists rising (to leftists) it becomes an easy sell.
Conservatives tried to do the liberty thing too, on another flank. Centrists and leftists just looked at all the gun crime and turned gun-grabbing into a moral argument while rightists were left sputtering about the Bill of Rights.
My theory is that all of the mega church theatrics was meant to drive away thinking right wing types who like their worship sober and contemplative. The spectacle of it all is very cringe not just to “the libs” but to anyone with any aesthetic sense in the very slightest.
You used the words "meant to", implying that this is intentional. Who is behind it and why would they want to drive away thinking religious people?
I question your claim that the New Right seeks to merge identitarianism and social conservatism. Your comments about demons hint at the likelier path. Catholicism accommodates and provides context for demons. There is evil in the world. Catholicism is authoritarian in its organization but, being liberal and personalistic in its theology, it is the path of least resistance for the New Right.
'While a revival among the general public could happen in the future, trendlines suggest secularization will remain the norm.'
'It’s far more accepting of homosexuality than the Moral Majority.'
'The MAGA Religious Right, in a nutshell, is more eager to provide state funding to exorcists than to repeal gay marriage.'
These are the wishful musings of someone oblivious regarding the difference a Christian Martyr makes when ushering in a new epoch - someone who clearly yearns for the recent comforts of a very nearby yesterday.
Kirks outpouring of morning and grief is overwhelmingly CELEBRATORY - and in stark contrast to the Pagan's who happily post their - wait for it - DEMONIC glee online - and - LEADING THE ONCE NON-BELIEVING TO CHRIST - and more so - hardly limited to just America or even the Americas - but is international.
There has never been anything like this in the past 500 years. Not JFK. Not MLK. Not Bobby.
Obergefell...will...be...OVERTURNED. And. It won't be some 50-year struggle like Roe. Because the assertion that the country 'magically' became pro-gay around 2015 to embrace the hijacking of marriage - as the once did conception - by the men (and now women as well) in black robes on the Roberts so-called-Supreme-Court was just another gaslit lie from an increasingly shrinking MSM.
Transgenderism and the venal profit motive of Pharma nuked what was another 50-year effort to normalize homosexuality - and - despite the inroads into our politics and civil law - it's over.
Secularism is what is failing. Christianity is even making a comeback in now Islamic Europe.
I'd welcome a religious revival, but not like this: "It’s far more accepting of homosexuality... not really concerned with gambling or other vices...its followers indulge in outlandish behavior, such as swinging and drug use...pro-life, but doesn’t prioritize the issue."
So basically we get gaudy evangelical megachurch shows and demon rhetoric, but nothing of real substance.
Nah, more like return of the Scam Grifter Thielite Right.
Aren’t you also a Thielite BAPNigger?
“It is well said, in every sense, that a man’s religion is the chief fact with regard to him. As I take it, Universal History, the history of what man has accomplished in this world, is at bottom the History of the Great Men who have worked here.” — Thomas Carlyle (1795-1881)
I think the people talking about demons generally oppose gay marriage, drug use, swinging, etc. but they understand that it's more of a cultural than a political issue at the moment. The general public that is Christian in name only is the group that's more accepting, and it's a separate phenomenon from the online right or someone like Tucker.
Megyn Kelly doesn't oppose those things, nor does Benny Johnson. Both of them are leaders in mainstreaming demon posting.
I'm sure some people are in the middle of the venn diagram and are just cringe, but what can you do