Europeans too will start to recognize their common white culture as the presence of The Other becomes more apparent in their own societies. Just as Tony from New Jersey and Hunter in Alabama realize they’ve got a helluva lot in common when Jamal shows up, so too will Edward in England and Théo in France when Jugmeet the Punjabi makes his presence felt.
I was over halfway through his book 'The Unprotected Class' when this Senate hearing made the news. He does a much better job articulating his perspective on white culture and identity in his book than in this hearing and recent X posts. I think he got cold feet and backed off some of the more challenging claims that you really can't avoid discussing if your goal is to understand what white culture is. It's unfortunate but this really is an extremely contentious topic. You have to avoid alienating or condescending towards other groups while still being able to honestly describe differences. It's no easy task.
This is a very common problem for whites, probably the main problem. It’s known as the refusal to take your own side, combined with the forlorn hope that non-whites will take your side for you.
It was the psychology behind the anti-Affirmative Action lawsuit against Harvard, which won at the Supreme Court but gained whites absolutely nothing. (Asians did great, however.)
Jeremy Carl, Auron MacIntyre and Matt Walsh all share it. It comes from decades of schooling and cultural reinforcement — the idea that being white is bad. For instance, that “all white” is a pejorative, as in “all-white jury.”
Those three gentlemen, who all grew up in the 1990s, the last burst of white security, are anti-anti-white, but they are not yet pro-White. The longer they resist proudly hanging that banner high in their public statements, the longer it will take for them to go on the offensive.
"Western man towers over the rest of the world in ways so large as to be almost inexpressible. It’s Western exploration, science, and conquest that have revealed the world to itself. Other races feel like subjects of Western power long after colonialism, imperialism, and slavery have disappeared. The charge of racism puzzles whites who feel not hostility, but only baffled good will, because they don’t grasp what it really means: humiliation. The white man presents an image of superiority even when he isn’t conscious of it. And, superiority excites envy. Destroying white civilization is the inmost desire of the league of designated victims we call minorities."
You are a true idiot. As an American we realize that the bricks and stones we possess here are not old, and certainly not ancient - we speak of building and implementing ideas that altered history, you know like the idea of rights being gifted by God, not governments. I wouldn't expect a mongrel European to grasp anything but the superficial.
A mongrel European ? First off I am American second even if I wasn't Americans are way more mixed then Europeans. A mongrel is a mixed breed animal.
Again god given rights does not make the white race other people had similar ideas and I would argue this has been a bad thing because logically speaking a Haitian refugee has the same god given rights as an American citizen which if rights were government given they would not have.
It’s a tricky question that’s impossible to answer in a few sentences. I know I’d slip into circular reasoning (“white culture is the beliefs, experiences, preferences, and practices that white people tend to share…”) or negative reasoning (“white culture is a non-minority, non-ethnic, non-communal, open and tolerant condition of life…”). I would hope that guys like Carl could do better than this, but he really didn’t. It’s a total gotcha question though. Most American whites aren’t really allowed to have a distinct culture, so it’s always a muddle explaining what defines us. That still doesn’t protect us from being discriminated against , which is what’s really being denied here.
White culture keeps pants around waist..doesn't use foul language in front of parents and kids..doesn't burn loot murder..no smash and grab..doesn't racially slur in public..etc etc etc..all this is opposite of blackkk
People, as usual overcomplicate this. There is no need to define white culture because it's so many things. We have the opposite problem from other races. They don't have enough culture, we have too much. To the point where it's been weaponized into an industry. It doesn't matter if being white means a million different things to a million different whites because it boils down to a society run by adventurous intelligent capable people who can be both very moralistic or hedonistic (or something in between) who are not only cooperative and nonviolent but also willing to take risks. Intelligent like the Asians but more innovative and risk taking. And, contrary to the moral lens shaped by the miserable upstart crows who came of age thanks to the black death and the maunder minimum (who will hopefully one day go the way of the dodo bird) we liked gettin' dirty and bumpin uglies (ask the phucking romans).
We have been over this White just means European it is a pan European identity Recently Jeremy Carl that one guy Trump tried to get in who was supposed to pander to us and be "based".
/b/ circa 2015 called — they want their talking points back. He couldn’t even define white identity or how it is being attacked. When asked at the confirmation hearing (I hate transcribing audio, but I am a crowd pleaser, so I will do it for you), he said: “certain types of Anglo-derived culture that comes from our history.”
Anglo? What the fuck is this bullshit? Who actually thinks this besides the guy who talks politics at the barbershop? The “white” category includes people from Peru and Afghanistan — it actually always has (though this is largely due to outdated assumptions in genetic models). I am a white person, and I am not Anglo — I am an Austro-Slav.
So when asked “like what,” Jeremy here responds: “Let me think about this — you know, Senator, if you were to look at the book Born Fighting, the sort of Scots-Irish military culture and the pride that went with that would be one example.”
First off, the Irish and Scots are not Anglo — really, barely — so maybe let’s start there. Also, are you saying no one else had military pride? I mentioned being Austrian — we fought the Thirty Years’ War for, well, thirty years, and it cost us something like 25% of our population.
Then he says: “You can have sub-elements of that culture — you can have Italians and Irish.” He is conceding this Noel Ignatiev ass framing.
Then: “So tell me the values that stitch together white identity.” Carl fell for an obvious trap. It isn’t about values — it’s not a club — it’s just genetics. What values stitch together your family? Are you family because you watch Die Hard every year at Christmas, or do you do that because you’re biologically related?
So when asked what makes it different from Black identity, he says: “I would say that the white church is very different than the Black church.” I am Catholic — or at least was raised as such. Catholicism is seen in America as quintessential European Christianity, but it’s also the most globally diverse denomination by far, with huge numbers of Black adherents, especially in Africa.
Then: “Foodways can often be different.” He’s bringing up church and food? Again, this is the issue with Trumpism trying to co-opt the language of white identity — they don’t want to commit to it and its very obvious illiberal implications. Because once you concede overarching binding racial identities like this, you have to start rejecting Locke’s conception of tabula rasa and Rousseau’s view of the state of nature, and so many Enlightenment assumptions people still cling to.
Then: “Music can be different.” So he brings up food, church, and music — my God, the normie boomer take is killing me.
I’ve watched Ibram X. Kendi lectures — they actually bothered me less than this. Despite the fact that, in theory, this is more aligned with how I see the world, I would rather listen to Kendi call me a racist than hear this fucking Jew shill try to pander to me.
Even his post hearing clarification was bad.
"The “White culture” then that I was referring to was simply the culture of the overwhelming majority of Americans who lived here prior to the passing of the Hart-Celler Immigration Act of 1965, which radically transformed American demographics. It incorporated everything from the sports we played (football, baseball etc.) to the foods we ate (Hamburgers, Pizza etc.) to the music we listened to and the TV shows we watched."
Again he gives the chud talking point like "immigration act 65 !" but the substance is not there he is a plant here to allow the government to pretend it cares about it's White population and their concerns. Pizza and baseball are White culture ? Not a single non White person likes those guys.
You completely explained this political/racial quagmire, I don’t know what else to say. White history (facts) in America will never be accepted by the others.
This article doesn’t really answer the question in the title, it just uses a bunch of circular reasoning like (I’m paraphrasing) “it is what other people recognize as white culture”.
Hamburgers and football/baseball, etc. are American culture, not white culture. Do you see mainly only white people doing those things? No? Then it's not white culture. Nuclear family is white culture? You go to china and everyone's into ENM over there? Gimme a break. "Hard work is the key to success" as an element of white culture, really? Wow now that's bold.
Let's be real about what white culture is - it's what you think of when you think of white people. It's square dancing and country music. It's polo shirts and pumpkin spice lattes. It's hedge fund kids and nepo babies. It's ordering door dash from a guy who doesn't speak English, then cheering as ICE arrests him and his whole family and sends them to El Salvador to be tortured. It's voting for and worshipping Satan and then calling it "Evangelical Christianity".
"Whiteness is a social construct" is the nice version. What "white" really is, is a moniker adopted by a group of people who have anointed themselves the superior race. White people have done both great and terrible things. But the white race, as a race, has served entirely the purpose of social stratification and keeping everyone else down. That's the root of white culture.
That's what you want it to mean when you use it as a slur.
American culture is white culture. The people that founded the country were entirely from northern Europe, and everyone else had to assimilate into that. Burgers, football, and baseball are white American and secondarily black American. Same with barbeque. Square dancing and country music are certainly included. Protestantism is too, generally.
"Nuclear family" and "hard work is the key to success" is not saying whites invented those things or that no one else does them, it's saying that's a cultural preference. Not every culture values those things the same way. Another culture might place much more emphasis on status and getting by through nepotism or bribery, and view hard workers as suckers or low status. If you want to do a comparison with China or other parts of Asia, white/American/European culture is much more individualistic and accepting of people breaking away from their parents and their community.
There are lots of other subtle cultural preferences that are mostly in common with northern Europeans, like a materialist view of the world, and an emphasis on precision in timing and getting things done on time. It can also include things like personal space and speaking distance, expectations about private vs. public behavior, volume, eye contact, body language, etc.
Have fun typing walls of text that nobody will read, as you apparently have been since your account’s creation. Fucking loner screaming into the void, like anybody gives a fuck about you.
Europeans too will start to recognize their common white culture as the presence of The Other becomes more apparent in their own societies. Just as Tony from New Jersey and Hunter in Alabama realize they’ve got a helluva lot in common when Jamal shows up, so too will Edward in England and Théo in France when Jugmeet the Punjabi makes his presence felt.
American journalist Goldberg, what a surprise
And Woodhouse. Shocking.
I was over halfway through his book 'The Unprotected Class' when this Senate hearing made the news. He does a much better job articulating his perspective on white culture and identity in his book than in this hearing and recent X posts. I think he got cold feet and backed off some of the more challenging claims that you really can't avoid discussing if your goal is to understand what white culture is. It's unfortunate but this really is an extremely contentious topic. You have to avoid alienating or condescending towards other groups while still being able to honestly describe differences. It's no easy task.
This is a very common problem for whites, probably the main problem. It’s known as the refusal to take your own side, combined with the forlorn hope that non-whites will take your side for you.
It was the psychology behind the anti-Affirmative Action lawsuit against Harvard, which won at the Supreme Court but gained whites absolutely nothing. (Asians did great, however.)
Jeremy Carl, Auron MacIntyre and Matt Walsh all share it. It comes from decades of schooling and cultural reinforcement — the idea that being white is bad. For instance, that “all white” is a pejorative, as in “all-white jury.”
Those three gentlemen, who all grew up in the 1990s, the last burst of white security, are anti-anti-white, but they are not yet pro-White. The longer they resist proudly hanging that banner high in their public statements, the longer it will take for them to go on the offensive.
Which we need. We are the Besieged.
This calls for the famous Joe Sobran quote:
"Western man towers over the rest of the world in ways so large as to be almost inexpressible. It’s Western exploration, science, and conquest that have revealed the world to itself. Other races feel like subjects of Western power long after colonialism, imperialism, and slavery have disappeared. The charge of racism puzzles whites who feel not hostility, but only baffled good will, because they don’t grasp what it really means: humiliation. The white man presents an image of superiority even when he isn’t conscious of it. And, superiority excites envy. Destroying white civilization is the inmost desire of the league of designated victims we call minorities."
Well done, Joe Sobran. Will have to look him up.
White culture is everything still standing in this country, the decay around us is the cultural rot. We built this. Easy.
chadbad's buildings are still standing and look pretty nice, is that White culture ?
Obviously no, again we need a tangible taxonomy not just shitty /pol/ quotes
You are a true idiot. As an American we realize that the bricks and stones we possess here are not old, and certainly not ancient - we speak of building and implementing ideas that altered history, you know like the idea of rights being gifted by God, not governments. I wouldn't expect a mongrel European to grasp anything but the superficial.
A mongrel European ? First off I am American second even if I wasn't Americans are way more mixed then Europeans. A mongrel is a mixed breed animal.
Again god given rights does not make the white race other people had similar ideas and I would argue this has been a bad thing because logically speaking a Haitian refugee has the same god given rights as an American citizen which if rights were government given they would not have.
You second paragraph betrays your lack of education and general knowledge. Good luck in this life and the next.
It’s a tricky question that’s impossible to answer in a few sentences. I know I’d slip into circular reasoning (“white culture is the beliefs, experiences, preferences, and practices that white people tend to share…”) or negative reasoning (“white culture is a non-minority, non-ethnic, non-communal, open and tolerant condition of life…”). I would hope that guys like Carl could do better than this, but he really didn’t. It’s a total gotcha question though. Most American whites aren’t really allowed to have a distinct culture, so it’s always a muddle explaining what defines us. That still doesn’t protect us from being discriminated against , which is what’s really being denied here.
White culture keeps pants around waist..doesn't use foul language in front of parents and kids..doesn't burn loot murder..no smash and grab..doesn't racially slur in public..etc etc etc..all this is opposite of blackkk
It’s so successful the world adopted it, sub -80’s are fish that don’t know they are wet.
People, as usual overcomplicate this. There is no need to define white culture because it's so many things. We have the opposite problem from other races. They don't have enough culture, we have too much. To the point where it's been weaponized into an industry. It doesn't matter if being white means a million different things to a million different whites because it boils down to a society run by adventurous intelligent capable people who can be both very moralistic or hedonistic (or something in between) who are not only cooperative and nonviolent but also willing to take risks. Intelligent like the Asians but more innovative and risk taking. And, contrary to the moral lens shaped by the miserable upstart crows who came of age thanks to the black death and the maunder minimum (who will hopefully one day go the way of the dodo bird) we liked gettin' dirty and bumpin uglies (ask the phucking romans).
Blonde women.
We have been over this White just means European it is a pan European identity Recently Jeremy Carl that one guy Trump tried to get in who was supposed to pander to us and be "based".
/b/ circa 2015 called — they want their talking points back. He couldn’t even define white identity or how it is being attacked. When asked at the confirmation hearing (I hate transcribing audio, but I am a crowd pleaser, so I will do it for you), he said: “certain types of Anglo-derived culture that comes from our history.”
Anglo? What the fuck is this bullshit? Who actually thinks this besides the guy who talks politics at the barbershop? The “white” category includes people from Peru and Afghanistan — it actually always has (though this is largely due to outdated assumptions in genetic models). I am a white person, and I am not Anglo — I am an Austro-Slav.
So when asked “like what,” Jeremy here responds: “Let me think about this — you know, Senator, if you were to look at the book Born Fighting, the sort of Scots-Irish military culture and the pride that went with that would be one example.”
First off, the Irish and Scots are not Anglo — really, barely — so maybe let’s start there. Also, are you saying no one else had military pride? I mentioned being Austrian — we fought the Thirty Years’ War for, well, thirty years, and it cost us something like 25% of our population.
Then he says: “You can have sub-elements of that culture — you can have Italians and Irish.” He is conceding this Noel Ignatiev ass framing.
Then: “So tell me the values that stitch together white identity.” Carl fell for an obvious trap. It isn’t about values — it’s not a club — it’s just genetics. What values stitch together your family? Are you family because you watch Die Hard every year at Christmas, or do you do that because you’re biologically related?
So when asked what makes it different from Black identity, he says: “I would say that the white church is very different than the Black church.” I am Catholic — or at least was raised as such. Catholicism is seen in America as quintessential European Christianity, but it’s also the most globally diverse denomination by far, with huge numbers of Black adherents, especially in Africa.
Then: “Foodways can often be different.” He’s bringing up church and food? Again, this is the issue with Trumpism trying to co-opt the language of white identity — they don’t want to commit to it and its very obvious illiberal implications. Because once you concede overarching binding racial identities like this, you have to start rejecting Locke’s conception of tabula rasa and Rousseau’s view of the state of nature, and so many Enlightenment assumptions people still cling to.
Then: “Music can be different.” So he brings up food, church, and music — my God, the normie boomer take is killing me.
I’ve watched Ibram X. Kendi lectures — they actually bothered me less than this. Despite the fact that, in theory, this is more aligned with how I see the world, I would rather listen to Kendi call me a racist than hear this fucking Jew shill try to pander to me.
Even his post hearing clarification was bad.
"The “White culture” then that I was referring to was simply the culture of the overwhelming majority of Americans who lived here prior to the passing of the Hart-Celler Immigration Act of 1965, which radically transformed American demographics. It incorporated everything from the sports we played (football, baseball etc.) to the foods we ate (Hamburgers, Pizza etc.) to the music we listened to and the TV shows we watched."
Again he gives the chud talking point like "immigration act 65 !" but the substance is not there he is a plant here to allow the government to pretend it cares about it's White population and their concerns. Pizza and baseball are White culture ? Not a single non White person likes those guys.
You completely explained this political/racial quagmire, I don’t know what else to say. White history (facts) in America will never be accepted by the others.
White culture is putting on a suit and getting a slick haircut and ruining everyone’s lives
This article doesn’t really answer the question in the title, it just uses a bunch of circular reasoning like (I’m paraphrasing) “it is what other people recognize as white culture”.
What a pathetic world you live in.
Hamburgers and football/baseball, etc. are American culture, not white culture. Do you see mainly only white people doing those things? No? Then it's not white culture. Nuclear family is white culture? You go to china and everyone's into ENM over there? Gimme a break. "Hard work is the key to success" as an element of white culture, really? Wow now that's bold.
Let's be real about what white culture is - it's what you think of when you think of white people. It's square dancing and country music. It's polo shirts and pumpkin spice lattes. It's hedge fund kids and nepo babies. It's ordering door dash from a guy who doesn't speak English, then cheering as ICE arrests him and his whole family and sends them to El Salvador to be tortured. It's voting for and worshipping Satan and then calling it "Evangelical Christianity".
"Whiteness is a social construct" is the nice version. What "white" really is, is a moniker adopted by a group of people who have anointed themselves the superior race. White people have done both great and terrible things. But the white race, as a race, has served entirely the purpose of social stratification and keeping everyone else down. That's the root of white culture.
That's what you want it to mean when you use it as a slur.
American culture is white culture. The people that founded the country were entirely from northern Europe, and everyone else had to assimilate into that. Burgers, football, and baseball are white American and secondarily black American. Same with barbeque. Square dancing and country music are certainly included. Protestantism is too, generally.
"Nuclear family" and "hard work is the key to success" is not saying whites invented those things or that no one else does them, it's saying that's a cultural preference. Not every culture values those things the same way. Another culture might place much more emphasis on status and getting by through nepotism or bribery, and view hard workers as suckers or low status. If you want to do a comparison with China or other parts of Asia, white/American/European culture is much more individualistic and accepting of people breaking away from their parents and their community.
There are lots of other subtle cultural preferences that are mostly in common with northern Europeans, like a materialist view of the world, and an emphasis on precision in timing and getting things done on time. It can also include things like personal space and speaking distance, expectations about private vs. public behavior, volume, eye contact, body language, etc.
Have fun typing walls of text that nobody will read, as you apparently have been since your account’s creation. Fucking loner screaming into the void, like anybody gives a fuck about you.
You realize this comment is self-contradictory, don't you?